2016 Presidential Election

[Mantra]

So Hillary actually did win the popular vote but lost because of the electoral college. Have we talked about this bullshit yet?

[Exocet]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

That racial divide though.

[Dryalex12]

im still alive....i havnt died yet...

btw...please stay away from twitter...its just a sea of hopelessness right now

[Piko]

Facebook is pretty bad as well. I'm iffy on the whole electoral vs popular vote thing. They chose him. Probably will regret it. That's the bed they made for us. Now we have to lay in it for the next four years. Going to be a very interesting inauguration.

Hopefully the dems can rebuild and fix their problems in the next four years. They have a lot to work on...

[Piko]

I don't see it getting fixed at all. It's a very weird and unreliable way, imo. I just find it baffling how you can win the popular vote and lose the whole thing. Way it is. I don't like it though.

[Sutekh]

ETS bringing the rational thoughts. Nice.


My work on the other hand... People were literally crying this morning. Many were unable to sleep all night. Complete emotional train wrecks. Some of them saying how "they didn't expect the votes to give them the courts too" and "trump's VP, Koch, is..." and shit like that. Absolutely partisan dipshits. These are Ivy League grads. It's ironic that the most educated seem to be those who are from other countries and are unable to vote.

Downtown SF never disappoints with the cartoonish progressives that right wingers talk about.

You're talking as if they're hysterical and worried over nothing. To be fair if you are lbgt, believe in climate change, believe socialised healthcare will save thousands of lives etc, this is actually pretty bad news

[Exocet]

Okay we had the black man EXPERIMENT we were a a White Country aftereall...

[Sutekh]

Interesting! And I thought UK democracy was stagnant

[WorzelG]

So how can people change Congress then if that's where all the power is? It seems like the presidency is a sideshow to dupe people into not voting where they can actually effect change.

[Louie_Cypher]

i feel this disater is due to america's steady force fed. diet of reality TV
-louie... now back to listening to RATM.
-louie...

[Baphomette]

Pence has come out and said blatantly that they are going to turn back the clock on LGBT rights.

But tell me again how nothing will really change and there's really nothing to worry about.

There, there... Let the straight white people continue their attempts to minimize the damage done last night since they know our realities better than we do.

[theruiner]

I don't think they can overturn Roe v. Wade. And I doubt that gay marriage is going to be overturned. But they can hurt people in a lot of other ways. Pence already came out and said they're going to work on repealing any federal protections for LGBT people. He's also made rumblings about making sure there are no federal protections for trans people as far as bathrooms go. And if I'm not remembering wrong, I believe there are some protections for trans people in the ACA, that insurance companies have to cover trans procedures (though maybe I'm remembering wrong). If the ACA goes so goes that, too.

There's plenty they can do. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I have no idea what else they have up their sleeve but none of it is good.

[Dra508]

http://slate.me/2fTkFXF
Oh Lordy, Palin in the cabinet?

Imma going to start popping corn for when I watch that confirmation hearing.

[Swykk]

I feel like this thread should go away until January. I definitely need a break.

Thanks to just about everyone (not you Sallos or telee kom) that I interacted with in this thread, whether we agreed or not.

To clarify--I am not taking a break from ETS, just this thread.

[sick among the pure]

Suddenly, you put a Republican in the President chair (who doesn't write laws, Congress does) and this makes things "worse?"

Yes, things will be worse. We had at least one branch of the government who (eventually) did care about us, and did fight for us. He was a voice for us in the government. Nobody believed he could do it all, just as nobody believed Bernie or Hillary could do it all and work miracles and suddenly we would be happy. But WE HAD SOMEONE WHO CARED. Now, instead of someone who is just "meh" about us, we have someone who will actively try to take back the progress we have made in regards to laws. We have all 3 branches against us. We don't have someone on our side.
Sure, we have a few representatives here and there who care, but no INDIVIDUAL commands an entire branch of the federal government with our safety and lives in mind now.

Downplay the President and VP's power as much as you want, losing an ali, a voice to hold out while ours are snuffed out, that IS a big fucking deal to us. And how dare you mock our concern because you don't think THE SIMPLE IDEA OF THEIR VOICE BEING GIVEN THAT MUCH POWER AND INFLUENCE OVER THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ISN'T FUCKING "worse".

[cynicmuse]

http://slate.me/2fTkFXF
Oh Lordy, Palin in the cabinet?

Imma going to start popping corn for when I watch that confirmation hearing.

She fits right in with the rest of the potential cabinet, including Rudy Guiliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, and Sen. Jeff Sessions. I'd assume that Dr. Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee will be involved as well.

[Dryalex12]

Trump and Pence have both said shit about overturning Roe v Wade and my uterus isn't quivering. It AIN'T HAPPENING. That's just a bunch of empty rhetoric to turn on the pro-life Evangelicals but it ain't ever fucking happening.

https://twitter.com/MadMareCreation/...85211768885249

[Mantra]

ETS bringing the rational thoughts. Nice.


My work on the other hand... People were literally crying this morning. Many were unable to sleep all night. Complete emotional train wrecks. Some of them saying how "they didn't expect the votes to give them the courts too" and "trump's VP, Koch, is..." and shit like that. Absolutely partisan dipshits. These are Ivy League grads. It's ironic that the most educated seem to be those who are from other countries and are unable to vote.

Downtown SF never disappoints with the cartoonish progressives that right wingers talk about.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous about people crying. This isn't the same as right wingers overreacting about Obama, because 95% of their fears were pulled out of thin air. But people who are scared of Trump are going off real things that he has actually said. I talked to a Muslim student at my school for a pretty long time earlier, and he cried a lot. I don't think its right to criticize people for feeling emotional about this stuff. Politics is serious business, and Trump has said some heinous shit.

That said, I've also felt slightly annoyed with people who criticize others just for trying to make some jokes or for trying to scrape together some small bits of optimism, implying that they don't care or whatever. Everyone has different ways of dealing with shit.

In general, I wish people were a little easier about giving each other the benefit of the doubt, especially right now. Today was fucking depressing enough, no reason to make it worse by jabbing at each other.

[thevoid99]

For all of those devastated by last night's horrible results....

[sick among the pure]

People were literally crying this morning. Many were unable to sleep all night. Complete emotional train wrecks.

Maybe because people are already being threatened by Trump supporters because their thoughts have been validated. Maybe because this sets a terrifying precedent for racists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, and perpetrators of sexual assault. Maybe because the people who are directly affected by this election in a terrible negative way happen to have emotions.

[Sarah K]

I think it is often forgotten how easy it is to find loopholes. See: TRAP laws that have devastated abortion access, "bathroom" laws to take away trans rights, voter ID laws to diminish the non-white vote, etc.

[Mantra]

As allegro pointed out, the statements do not have a legal pathway to delivery at the levels people are claiming. It's this lack of understanding of our political system (from a bunch of Ivy League people), to the point of crying, that is ridiculous to me

Sure, but there's more to consider besides the question of whether Trump's plans are legally or constitutionally possible. There's the fact that, legal or not, his message resonated with millions of people. So for example, even if the wall becomes a legal/financial/practical impossibility, that doesn't mean that immigrants can just laugh the whole thing off now. Trump campaigned on it and America fucking endorsed it last night. That says something about the people around us and how they think of immigrants, and it's not good. So even without legal pathways, there are legit reasons for crying and feeling scared.

[Dr Channard]

Whoa, Donald won the presidential election? What? How? What happened? Wasn’t Clinton supposedly going to run away with it?

Well in light of this disconcerting news my evening will be spent in my chair, with all the lights out, and a pink floyd album playing in the background while I drink cheap whisky directly from the bottle.

But first, I’ll take a guess at this,

So... forward looking. When do the Trump voters learn that they were sold something very different than they thought they were buying? What's going to be the first big example of this?

1) When Trump doesn’t assemble a hotshot team of investigators to go after Clinton.

2) When they realize she will never spend any time in prison.

3) When it becomes clear that Trump can’t strong-arm Mexico, or other countries, into doing what he wants.

4) When the wall doesn’t happen and global immigration continues.

5) When the great manufacturing jobs don’t come roaring back to America.

6) When no middle class workingman renaissance happens, yet “the establishment” rolls merrily along (rich getting richer and the poor get poorer).

7) When the ACA isn’t repealed, but retooled a little and rebranded Trumpcare.

8) “Another radical Islamic attack, this time in Pakistan, targeting Christian women & children. At least 67 dead,400 injured. I alone can solve.”

.. yeah... no.

9) And most egregious, when the time for comes for Trump to push the big red nuke button, but he doesn’t first scowl into the camera and say, “You’re fired!”

[Baphomette]

Completely ridiculous statement.

Thank you for validating my statement. I expected nothing less from you.

[Volband]

Not cool.

[Jinsai]

well, the video has been removed... what was it?

[Frozen Beach]

well, the video has been removed... what was it?

https://twitter.com/MiddleOfMayhem/s...45047915331586

[Jinsai]

oh fuck for fuck's sake...

Humanity loses.

[Deepvoid]

As I was saying to a buddy of mine and shortly after, saw that Glenn Greenwald was sharing the same concern ...
What if there's another 9/11-type event. How will Trump react?

Of all the concerns, this is close to the top of the list for me.
Glenn Greenwald added,
Murtaza Hussain @MazMHussain
@jamiekilstein yeah it's very scary. Also his reaction to next terrorist attack/attempt will be scary

[aggroculture]

When Trump's base realizes he can't give them what he promised, what will happen? Nothing. Nothing will happen. They will vote for him again like they voted for GWB again.

What bothers me so much is that almost 50% of US citizens didn't vote. Half, or almost half of these non-voters are women? 75% of US women chose that abortion rights are not that big of a deal to them? 25% of the country voted for Trump...he lost the popular vote. And we get to live under hard right policies moving forward because of that? And this is democracy? Come the fuck on.

At this point I can't think of much beyond the job that keeps my family here...I don't want to live in Trump's USA, so over the coming days, weeks, months am going to be giving some hard thought about moving elsewhere. This is bullshit.