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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Having a high fever is a symptom. I don't know why they're not giving her the five star treatment, that really is bullshit, but a 21 day quarantine is reasonable. She says she just wants to stay with her boyfriend, and he's fine with it... so I don't understand why they're not letting him stay with her... in the deluxe quarantine tent.
    I'm fine with putting people in a 21 day quarantine, in their own home, with a guarantee of food and water and other such necessities, with twice daily visits from health professionals to check their temperatures, if the people have been directly exposed to someone who is infected (aka the NBC camera crew and the family of Thomas Eric Duncan), because in that case, people have proved that they'll violate quarantine. With the health care professionals who have treated Ebola victims in west Africa, their level of exposure is most likely minimal, especially if they've been working for MSF, which has a very, very low transmission rate.

    At this point, it's not clear that this nurse ever had a fever. Option A: believe the nurse's version of events. She says that a forehead thermometer gave a reading of 101 at the airport. When she was at the hospital, they checked her temperature orally; it was normal. They then checked with a forehead scanner, and it read 101 again; she claims that the false reading was due to her being flushed. I'm not a medical professional; I have no idea how accurate forehead temperature scanners are and under what conditions they can give false readings. Option B: she's a human; all humans lie. She did have a fever at some point at the airport. However, she's had two separate Ebola tests and has tested negative each time (and while she is the source for claiming that her tests are negative, I can guarantee that Christie would be telling anyone who'd listen how his policy saved NJ from exposure to Ebola if she were positive).

    Gov. Cuomo and Gov. Christie have since backed down on their quarantine stance. They're now letting NY and NJ residents returning from west Africa who have treated Ebola patients to spend quarantine in their homes. The nurse is still screwed because she's a resident of Maine.

    This quarantine isn't based on medical science; it's based on fear. While I have a low opinion of the CDC and their guidelines for Ebola, I do think that MSF knows what they're doing. They do have evidence based protocols in place for returning health workers: monitor one's temperature twice a day and report any symptoms immediately.

    Finally, what about the medical professionals treating the patient in Bellevue? Are they going to be quarantined while they're treating the patient? They have at least the same probable level of exposure as the medical professionals who have been in west Africa.

    Also, medical professionals can still fly into DC or Atlanta and avoid this nonsense... or a flight to Canada and then a road trip across the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynicmuse View Post
    Finally, what about the medical professionals treating the patient in Bellevue? Are they going to be quarantined while they're treating the patient? They have at least the same probable level of exposure as the medical professionals who have been in west Africa.
    This is just not true though. The doctor was operating in an area where the disease has now infected 10,000 people. She wasn't just coming into contact with one individual, in a perfectly isolated space, with the strictest protocol imaginable.

    She has tested negative each time, but you can apparently test negative for quite a long time up until the point where you're contagious. The virus incubates. Also, like I said before, this is partly to quell public blowback, and it's not completely insane (yet).


    This quarantine isn't based on medical science; it's based on fear.


    Almost certainly true. The thing is, the fear is real. You could call it complete lip service to placate a hysteric population, but it's predictable and pretty much expected. In a case like this, quarantine is a pretty easy solution. I'm not a big fan of Christie, but he's swaying with the political wind. The reason he's backing down from the quarantine is his team reading the opinion polls.

    Honestly, the best solution is to just quarantine people who are coming in from West Africa, and make it a spa. You get two massages a day from someone in a hazmat suit, and they take your temperature and make sure you're not sick. Anyone who wants to be quarantined with you can jump in on the fun. They get massages too, and free HBO. You get government funded sick-leave pay, you get whatever you want. The only thing about this that's fucked up in my opinion is the nature of the quarantine.

    Also, medical professionals can still fly into DC or Atlanta and avoid this nonsense... or a flight to Canada and then a road trip across the border.
    Yep... which is something that is occurring to the politicians who are backing down from their previous stances on the issue of quarantining people. The thing is, the "serious" examinations upon point of entry don't mean much. The disease incubates for 21 days. Best solution I can think of is spend a million dollars and make getting quarantined awesome, and quarantine everyone coming in from West Africa.
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    She hasn't shown a fever yet, though. Unless I missed a story somewhere.

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    http://gothamist.com/2014/10/27/cuom...quarantine.php

    Cuomo has caved... People who show no symptoms can self quarantine for the 21 day period. If their employer will not pay them for that time, the state will compensate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    http://gothamist.com/2014/10/27/cuom...quarantine.php

    Cuomo has caved... People who show no symptoms can self quarantine for the 21 day period. If their employer will not pay them for that time, the state will compensate them.
    That makes more sense, otherwise people are gonna LIE.

    Quote Originally Posted by cynicmuse View Post
    I'm fine with putting people in a 21 day quarantine, in their own home, with a guarantee of food and water and other such necessities, with twice daily visits from health professionals to check their temperatures, if the people have been directly exposed to someone who is infected (aka the NBC camera crew and the family of Thomas Eric Duncan), because in that case, people have proved that they'll violate quarantine. With the health care professionals who have treated Ebola victims in west Africa, their level of exposure is most likely minimal, especially if they've been working for MSF, which has a very, very low transmission rate.
    Exactly!

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    I was secretly hoping the impossible would happen: Open Carry militia rides in and escorts her out. But then I realized that those are the same idiots who think this is all Obama's fault for not stopping all air travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    http://gothamist.com/2014/10/27/cuom...quarantine.php

    Cuomo has caved... People who show no symptoms can self quarantine for the 21 day period. If their employer will not pay them for that time, the state will compensate them.

    Again, I'm not an alarmist... but what's to stop someone who is supposed to be self-quarantined from... completely ignoring the quarantine. I'm just authentically curious how this works.

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    Well, they're going to be checked on by "officials(I'm unclear if this is police, CDC people, etc)" twice a day. I would suspect that those checks would be random.

    And really... Once any of them spikes a fever, their first stop is going to be the hospital. A healthcare professional who has been exposed to Ebola isn't going to go traipsing about town once they have a symptom.

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    The Ebola Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Again, I'm not an alarmist... but what's to stop someone who is supposed to be self-quarantined from... completely ignoring the quarantine. I'm just authentically curious how this works.
    I think part of the self quarantine has Public Health workers coming by to take your temperature and bring you food. That's what the MSF doc in NYC's finance is now doing.
    Last edited by Dra508; 10-27-2014 at 08:20 PM.

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    Wow. It even says they will have security outside of their apartments 24/7.

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    well, then the self quarantine is a better (and more economic) solution than the hazmat-spa that I was proposing.

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    Reading this cant believe how callous Patrick Sawyer (Nigeria's first case of the virus was) with still wanting to leave while very ill brave doctor paid with her life
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-Ebola.html

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