An Independent Scotland?

[Deepvoid]

Just found out that there are no exit polls.
I think I'm gonna stay up late for this one.

Go Scotland! Everyone in Quebec is watching.

[Dra508]

16 year olds can vote. Color me impressed.


U.S. Headlines this morning have Obama and Clinton suggesting a NO vote. Any Scot here going to listen to a 'Merican today?

[Digital Twilight]

My votes in, think I'll be setting my alarm for about 3 in the morning to see if the results are in yet

6am will be the official result. I think Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburugh are some of the last 3 to be counted and they are 25% of the electorate so it really will go down to the wire.

[scotty79]

That's even better then, I'll be just gettin up for work at that time

[icklekitty]

Westminster has done nothing but shit on them for a long time (and the rest of the UK) why you wouldn't want to break away from all the corruption, inequality and make a go at it yourselves is beyond me.

Hell, Westminster shits on the community that literally lives across the river from Parliament; I'm sure they barely remember Scotland exists.

Just don't screw us on whisky please.

[sheepdean]

53-47 against by the sole exit poll, this is going to go to the wire and it's so exciting

[bgalbraith]

The only Scottish pub in Boston is having an event to watch the results tonight. Really tempted to put on my kilt and head over there.

[bgalbraith]

Polls are closed. You can watch coverage here: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/live
Also, interesting survey of the results from the last 50 country independence votes: http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...o-independence

[WorzelG]

There is a massive fuck off storm over Cardiff at the moment that started just after the referendum closed - like a portent of doom. at least 30 flashes of lightning so far, weird timing

[slave2thewage]

Minor references to early counts on the BBC article: East Lothian - No, Dundee - Yes.

[sheepdean]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/sco...ecides/results for the concise, what the votes are, answer.

More excited for this than any General Election

[Deepvoid]

Dundee has about 36,000 more electoral voters than EL.
This is nerve-racking.

[icecream]

Does anyone know how the question was worded?

[Deepvoid]

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Compared to our terrible 1995 question.

"Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?"

[marodi]

Does anyone know how the question was worded?

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Awesome, isn't it?

As a comparison, here are the two questions asked for the Quebec Referendums:

1995: "Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?"

1980: "The Government of Quebec has made public its proposal to negotiate a new agreement with the rest of Canada, based on the equality of nations; this agreement would enable Quebec to acquire the exclusive power to make its laws, levy its taxes and establish relations abroad - in other words, sovereignty - and at the same time to maintain with Canada an economic association including a common currency; any change in political status resulting from these negotiations will only be implemented with popular approval through another referendum; on these terms, do you give the Government of Quebec the mandate to negotiate the proposed agreement between Quebec and Canada?"

Yes or no.

[slave2thewage]

A tweet from a BBC correspondent claims that Glasgow will vote Yes. Very interesting.

I'm pretty sure Edinburgh is a No.

[icecream]

Yeah Quebec's question was a bit wordy. Glad Scotland's was to the point. Hope Quebec finally gets a fair chance in the future.

[Deepvoid]

Yeah I forgot about how FREAKING long that 1980 question was. Jesus ...

A week prior to the 1995 referendum, 28% of the undecided voters in Quebec thought voting "yes" would simply mean that would negotiate better conditions with the federal government. That's how terrible the "yes" campaign was. Yet, we still managed to get 49.42%

Fun fact: Statistics compiled by Citizenship and Immigration Canada show that some 43,855 new Quebecers obtained their Canadian citizenship during 1995. About one quarter of these (11,429) were granted their citizenship during the month of October(month the referendum was held). This was the only time in Canada's history that Quebec beat Ontario in terms of granting new citizenship. The year 1996 saw a drop of 39%

[icecream]

Yeah I forgot about how FREAKING long that 1980 question was. Jesus ...

A week prior to the 1995 referendum, 28% of the undecided voters in Quebec thought voting "yes" would simply mean that would negotiate better conditions with the federal government. That's how terrible the "yes" campaign was. Yet, we still managed to get 49.42%

Fun fact: Statistics compiled by Citizenship and Immigration Canada show that some 43,855 new Quebecers obtained their Canadian citizenship during 1995. About one quarter of these (11,429) were granted their citizenship during the month of October(month the referendum was held). This was the only time in Canada's history that Quebec beat Ontario in terms of granting new citizenship. The year 1996 saw a drop of 39%

Didn't know about your fun fact. That's crazy. I'll wait till after Quebec gets independence to move

[slave2thewage]

"Counters in Glasgow are looking through ballot papers looking for 10 possible cases of electoral fraud"

Oh, Glesgae.

[Deepvoid]

Didn't know about your fun fact. That's crazy. I'll wait till after Quebec gets independence to move

It's even crazier when you know that 90% of immigrants voted "no".
If you ask, the "no" won by 54,288 votes. Total of 4,671,008 valid votes.

Anyways, this is a whole other discussion, let's come back to Scotland.
Looks like Orkney is leaning "no"

**First results in 5 minutes**

[slave2thewage]

Guardian is saying that Aberdeenshire is a No. Bit embarrassing for Salmond.

EDIT - First result:

Clackmannanshire - No 53.8%, yes on 46.2%

[Deepvoid]

Clackmannanshire official results: 53.8% no; 46.2% yes

[miss k bee]

a little light relief

[Deepvoid]

Things aren't looking good for the "yes" camp.
It appears that both Dundee and Glasgow are having low turnouts.

"Yes" is also apparently conceding West Lothian.

[bgalbraith]

Glasgow reported 75% turnout, which, for Glasgow, is a massive turnout. It's all relative.

[slave2thewage]

Dundee is apparently 78% turnout, too.

Also, Orkney - No 67.2%, yes 32.8%.

[DF118]

Glasgow reported 75% turnout, which, for Glasgow, is a massive turnout. It's all relative.

Don't worry, they'll all kick the fuck out each other on the way home from the polling booth.

[slave2thewage]

Now I'm craving teacakes and Irn Bru.

EDIT: Shetland - No 63.7%, yes 36.3%

[Deepvoid]

"Lib Dem MP Sir Menzies Campbell tells the BBC: "It's not for the Scots to tell the English what form their devolution should take. That is for the English to decide."

Anyone who thinks Scotland will have more power as promised if the "no" wins, is a fool.