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    Last I'd heard was that the studio told Nic that they're more than ready to do another season as soon as he was. That and apparently it's not likely until at least next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    lol didn't I tell people this would happen when they went back to it later? I truly enjoyed season two, despite the significant backlash it garnered.
    Yuuuuup.

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    I actually thought the character development in this season was better than in season one.

    Russ and Marty were great characters with unique quirks, but if it hadn't been Matthew and Woody in those roles, I doubt people would have cared nearly as much as they do.

    But the characters in season two were complex, damaged, multi-layered personalities that took time and patience to come into focus. Ani's taste for rough sex and pornography because of her fucked up childhood. Ray's drug and alcohol abuse and general unhingedness because of his situation with his son. Paul's struggle to make sense of the relationships in his life because of past tragedies.

    And then there was Frank. He took a TON of shit for having some hammy lines during the season, but his poetic dialogue was one of my favorite aspects of his personality. The way he could sense time was running out and everything that mattered to him was falling apart around him, and how desperate he was to hang onto those things. And it was the responsibility of an actor known for comedic roles to pull it off effectively, which he did brilliantly.

    I think time will be kind to this season, once people have a chance to see it again and peel back more of the layers. Not to sound arrogant or smug, but I truly believe this season was out of the depth of a lot of its viewers and the people who somehow make a living critiquing television shows and films. The few times I got lost in the narrative, I went back and rewatched a certain scene or episode and it made much more sense after a second look. Hopefully others have this same realization if they give it a second pass
    Annnnd SAME HERE.

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    You see I didn't find season 2 "too deep" for people at all -- I found it passionately shallow while pretending to be so much more than it was, which was a cliche, stock nihilistic cynical noir cop show that in turn felt desperately pretentious and in need of sounding deeper than it was. All the pretentious shit that Rust says in season 1 that gets called out for it's bullshit and contradicted and changed as it goes along is embraced fully and completely by season 2 and it ends up feeling like "Okay, so what?"

    I never felt like there was anything particularly deep about it -- it was a very typical and unsatisfying story told in an over-complicated way to seem smarter than it was, an incredibly shallow and uninteresting look at an over-played city and not in an original way with stock characters that had nothing particularly new or neat about them played by actors who clearly signed on expecting a whole lot more and instead got lines like "blue balls of the heart" and "sucking a robot's dick." I was thoroughly disappointed and it made me both appreciate season 1 more and yet question it's depth at the same time. One was written over the course of many years and one was thrown together in less than one with significant rewrites and changes to the plot before shooting and it shows heavily -- there was a whole occult element that was cut out that you can see remnants of that, in turn, leads to dissatisfaction. It felt like an empty, boring, cliche exercise in something that's been done a thousand times before and just as well if not better before. It felt sickeningly self-important and resulted in me feeling like I wasted eight hours on something that failed to deliver on any of the goods.

    Maybe standard LA pulp nihilism is enough for a lot of people, and if that's your thing that's fine, but to condescend to everyone utterly bored and unimpressed with it is snooty and pretentious and utter garbage. Some people were totally dumb and didn't get it, sure, but that's not everyone and plenty of people like me just felt like we were drinking flat soda and Bud Light after getting glass after glass of Jack & Coke throughout the first season.

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    It was all the lynch comparisons that got me to give it another shot. With that I'm mind, I'm able to see it differently and maybe see it for what it's supposed to be as opposed to treating it as a follow up to the first season. First season set a very high bar. Comparing the two probably doesn't help.

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    If I shouldn't be comparing it then it shouldn't have been given the same name. Plain and simple. You don't tell me something is part of the same series and then say "don't compare it to other parts of the same series." Anthology or not, it happens. To me Fargo season 2 was such a schooling in how you follow up an acclaimed first season of an anthology series and it made TD S2 even less forgivable for me.

    I remember at the end of episode 1 when Closet Cop is on the motorcycle and it's all Twin Peaks-y, but that just further proves my point -- this did nothing new and it didn't do it any better than other things previously have. I just don't feel like there was anything close to enough original or fresh or inspired elements of it to justify it. It felt like it existed only because the first season was so acclaimed and they went in expecting the exact same reaction no matter what they did, and in turn did a whole lot less.

    Gothic horror Louisiana was a fresh, interesting, fascinating setting and as a native to the South was extremely accurate and refreshing to see in popular fiction and formed a mood, a tone, an atmosphere typically reserved for niche literature. It was compelling and I was constantly wanting to see the next corner of the town that felt like a memory that was fading. Cynical corrupt LA has been in movies and books since the 1930's and has been done constantly, ad nauseum, and better over and over and over again. It's the most over-used setting in movies and TV and TD did nothing new or cool with it. It didn't feel remotely interesting or compelling and the entire time i kept thinking, "Okay, this has to deliver, give it the full eight episodes, just wait, you'll be rewarded; that first season was so rewarding and really paid off in being patient." And that pay-off never came and that freshness never arrived and the cigarettes everybody smoked relentlessly tasted stale to my lungs.

    That's not to say other people can't enjoy it, but it's just that I hate the attitude towards anything when anyone tries to imply that others not liking it are just "not getting it" or somehow beneath those who do like it. I got it -- I just didn't find it good.

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    I'm with @kleiner352 on this one. Second season was forgettable. I've watched each episode multiple times, nowhere near the level of season one. I didn't get "depth" from season 2 at all. We got David Lynch lite. And many moments where it could have but was afraid to go further. Instead we got a show unsure of itself. The real issue was the change of director/showrunner. Once I heard who they got on board, I knew it was never gonna be as good as Season One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neorev View Post
    The real issue was the change of director/showrunner. Once I heard who they got on board, I knew it was never gonna be as good as Season One.
    It is worth nothing that the showrunner, the lead writer Nic Pizzolatto remained on, and continued to write all the scripts (which is severely unusual for a TV series), it was the director, Cary Fukanaga, who left after directing all eight episodes of season one (which is also severely unusual for a TV series). I'm of the mind that the departure of Fukunaga, whose consistent direction allowed for an uncommonly steady and powerful visual language combined with the fact that the first season's storyline had been worked on by Pizzolatto for years on end before ever approaching HBO and the second's being made by him in an extremely short amount of time comparatively are what led to most of season two's failings.

    Part of why it's so rare for one person to write all scripts of one season of TV is that it's an extremely large workload for one mind and while it was possible for season one since there was no schedule or pressure, the issues of that became really clear in the second where you could tell he bit off more than he could chew and ended up not writing anything compelling or unique. If he had a classical American TV writer's room full of talent, I believe something great could've come out of it -- but he didn't, and he didn't have a story in his head that he developed and refined and honed down to the best elements for years, and in turn we got an inconsistent, cliche, uncertain and wobbly-at-the-foundations season-long story that was ultimately a really boring and unenthusiastic exercise in cynicism that never built into anything more than a typical cop show with some flowery dialogue (that sounded absolutely ridiculous and sophomoric).

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    I'll remember these two gems forever:

    "Don't you fucking shoot me, Raymond."

    "You stopped moving way back there..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleiner352 View Post
    It is worth nothing that the showrunner, the lead writer Nic Pizzolatto remained on, and continued to write all the scripts (which is severely unusual for a TV series), it was the director, Cary Fukanaga, who left after directing all eight episodes of season one (which is also severely unusual for a TV series). I'm of the mind that the departure of Fukunaga, whose consistent direction allowed for an uncommonly steady and powerful visual language combined with the fact that the first season's storyline had been worked on by Pizzolatto for years on end before ever approaching HBO and the second's being made by him in an extremely short amount of time comparatively are what led to most of season two's failings.

    Part of why it's so rare for one person to write all scripts of one season of TV is that it's an extremely large workload for one mind and while it was possible for season one since there was no schedule or pressure, the issues of that became really clear in the second where you could tell he bit off more than he could chew and ended up not writing anything compelling or unique. If he had a classical American TV writer's room full of talent, I believe something great could've come out of it -- but he didn't, and he didn't have a story in his head that he developed and refined and honed down to the best elements for years, and in turn we got an inconsistent, cliche, uncertain and wobbly-at-the-foundations season-long story that was ultimately a really boring and unenthusiastic exercise in cynicism that never built into anything more than a typical cop show with some flowery dialogue (that sounded absolutely ridiculous and sophomoric).
    Agreed! I was talking about director Cary Fukanaga leaving, not the writer, in my previous post. His direction is a huge reason why the first season is as great as it is.

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    So is True Detective over? No season 3 coming?

    Because I noticed for an advertisement for HBO Go, all the shows currently running would have "Every Episode" as a caption, but finished shows like The Sopranos, Entourage, Eastbound & Down, The Wire, etc. said "Complete Series." When they advertised True Detective in the same commercial, its caption said "Complete Series."

    So does that mean HBO is done with it?

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    Actually just found an article from a couple of days ago about the same commercial...

    http://www.inquisitr.com/3045598/tru...season-2-flop/

    It seems that it may only mean HBO considers season 2 its own complete story hence not showing footage from the first season. But HBO is having a hard time getting A listers on board for Season 3 due to the second season being a flop.
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    Just finished Season 2, and i don't get the hate.
    I understand that many fans were expecting McConaughey and Woody and that the setting and story is very different, but i thought it was a good story plus Farrell and Vaughn did a good work!
    I would love to see a third season, i think the concept is great and Pizzolatto's writing is very interesting, i hope HBO don't let it die...

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    And there might not be a third season of True Detective: http://www.avclub.com/article/true-d...ly-dead-237307

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    McConaughey says he wouldn't hesitate returning to True Detective...
    http://www.nme.com/news/tv/watch-mat...ective-1919237

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    Not only that...now word is that Mahershala Ali is in talks to be one of the leads.

    Yes. Fucking. Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Not only that...now word is that Mahershala Ali is in talks to be one of the leads.

    Yes. Fucking. Please.
    Hot damn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self.Destructive.Pattern View Post
    Boner land. This with David Milch helping out should be fucking incredible.

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    Season 3 confirmed to hit in 2018.

    Due to arrive in 2018, the next installment in Nic Pizzolatto’s acclaimed crime anthology will tell the “story of a macabre crime in the heart of the Ozarks, and a mystery that deepens over decades and plays out in three separate time periods,” according to The Hollywood Reporter. The premise will no doubt draw comparisons to Netflix’s hit series Ozark, which was recently renewed for a second season.


    Pizzolatto will write and direct the forthcoming season alongside Jeremy Saulnier (of Green Room fame). Deadwood creator David Milch also aided in the forthcoming season’s creative process and will himself direct the fourth episode. Pizzolatto will serve as showrunner.
    Ali’s character is named Wayne Hays, a state police detective from Northwest Arkansas.

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