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    The Smashing Pumpkins

    Because two delicious new reissues just came out, and more are on the way, because a new album (within an album) is in the works, because we miss the old members and hate the new or vicey vercey, and because Billy Corgan and his shiny bald head are entertaining.

    Discuss these things and more.

    I picked up the deluxe reissues Tuesday. A complaint seems to be that the drums are kinda buried in the mix, and Billy's vocals sound dry, and I agree to some extent. Haven't gotten around to listening to the bonus stuff yet. Either way, nowhere near as bad as some remasters I've heard, and well worth it for the sheer amount of stuff included.

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    Adore is still my favorite SP album. That is all for now.

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    i think SD sounds better. i'm one of (probably a handful of) those people who didn't really get into Siamese Dream because my trial-by-fire was the premaster of Machina I, then Adore and MCIS; by the time i got to SD, the aspects that make its sound memorable were ones that turned me off. i find it easier to appreciate the classic now that the guitars sound more 'controlled' and the vocals dryer (imo), especially since they literally had this sound for one album, then ditched it for the much dryer and barebones MCIS.

    i think "Pissant" and "Siamese Dream" demos fucking slay too, in part because they don't rely on the original SD sound.

    haven't heard the new 2011 mixes of "Starla," etc. yet i'm willing to bet they're as bad as people are saying, though...

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    Any idea when Oceania is supposed to drop? First, it was September, then it was November. Is there any kind of solid date or even an estimation?

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    did anyone that preordered the reissues get them yet? still waiting on mine

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    I haven't ordered the reissues yet. I'd love to pick up Siamese Dream in particular (and Adore/Machina eventually), but am I the only one who thinks the new color scheme on the covers makes them look like awful bootlegs?

    Piko: I think the latest estimate is that the release will be sometime in spring. I'd like to think that it'll be up streaming before that, but who knows? Oceania the song sounded damn good live, so here's hoping...

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Adore is still my favorite SP album. That is all for now.
    Agreed. Must admit though, I haven't seriously listened anything after this album. I kinda just heard the albums after Adore, if you know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiral94 View Post
    did anyone that preordered the reissues get them yet? still waiting on mine
    waiting as well. was tempted to buy in store, but the only copies here were the single disc ones.

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    I stopped caring/following The Teargarden album after like the second song of the second EP. Worth a shit?

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    My brother picked up the Siamese Dream remaster on vinyl the other day. The packaging is to die for.

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    I picked up both the reissues yesterday and havent checked out the bonus audio discs yet, but did watch most of the '93 show DVD that came with Siamese Dream. I forgot how good they were live back then - incredible show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    I stopped caring/following The Teargarden album after like the second song of the second EP. Worth a shit?
    Nope - it's pitiful throughout. Hopefully Oceana can be a redemption album of sorts, but I highly doubt it.

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    so just listened to zwan again the other day ... lyric and honestly - forgot how great these are

    plus i have a crush on paz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presideo View Post
    Nope - it's pitiful throughout. Hopefully Oceana can be a redemption album of sorts, but I highly doubt it.
    Dunno... Seems like he's realized how bad of an idea it was to do a song at a time and how unfocused it was.

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    seeing the band live this tour was great...and of all the new songs played, the title track from oceania seemed the most promising--- one of the few times i've felt that billy's been "back on track" since restarting the band. that said, the setlist was to die-for, regardless of who's actually on stage.

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    Like most of you, I'm worried for the new album, but I have to admit this has my hopes up:


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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonsinthesky View Post
    haven't heard the new 2011 mixes of "Starla," etc. yet — i'm willing to bet they're as bad as people are saying, though...
    where are you hearing this?

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    That song makes me hopeful.

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    i love reading Netphoria, shit is hilarious! they're right about the squishy dynamics, though i think it suits the sound of Siamese Dream quite well — for instance, "Hummer" is loud and ugly, but the quiet ending retains very similar dynamic range.

    the drums always suffer, though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lessthanzero View Post
    where are you hearing this?
    i wasn't at the time. mp3 copies of the reissues were around for days once copies started arriving to people. i'm currently listening to it now and, as predicted, it's not nearly as bad as Netphoria makes it seem
    Last edited by seasonsinthesky; 12-07-2011 at 11:54 AM. Reason: woops, missed that post

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    http://crestfallen.com/2011/12/27/do...uture-release/

    1994 Double Door shows to be released? I hope this doesn't fall into the "promised but never released" category.

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    Those new songs sound jizztastical. It doesn't sound like the old SP, but I like it with the same part of my brain as I do their old stuff without it feeling like a nostalgia act.

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    The Metro dvd on the Siamese Dream reissue is really good. Makes me really miss the Pumpkins we first fell in love with. Killer setlist too.

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    I can't believe how fucking amazing the Siamese Dream remaster is. The album finally sounds the way I always wanted it to; I don't really give a shit about the bitching other fans are doing. Honestly, I can't really claim to be much of a SP fan, but I've always liked most of SD. The heaviness of the re-release melts my face like the original never did.

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    The remasters? Wow.

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    Picked up the SD remaster yesterday. The bonus cd is great stuff and the the DVD is worth the price of the pack alone.

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    Siamese Dream is wonderful. I cant help loving it. What does the remaster sound like? Part of that albums appeal was its vagueness and fuzzy whirlwind distortion ,still slighly headfucky. Its a strange record. I much prefer the shoegaze sound of the Smashing Pumpkins on Siamese Dream than the self concisely harder metal, classic rock sound they adopted on Mellon Collie. I felt that record was a step down from Siamese Dream is has its moments but its slightly bloated and trying too hard to 'outdo' everything that made Siamese Dream unique . Liked this band when they were more of weird slightly commercial shoegaze band, that had a singer with a goblin-esque voice. But was never too keen on the Led Zeppelin stadium 1996 version of Mellon Collie.

    I always found Machina deeply underrated. That was their industrial Phase? Really great record, Billy and Flood together. I heard it the other day it sounds fantastic, Everlasting Gaze is proper cyber/metal/punk awesomeness. Everyone seemed to loose interest in the band around 2000 after Adore which is a shame because it meant Machina was overlooked a bit. I never thought it fitted when they were trying to be New Order with Adore, seems like the transition from Mellon Collie to a shaky synth pop sound was too drastic and too sudden for most people.
    I have no heard a single note of new music from this group since they reformed. I want to now. I could imagine they might be good. But i always found it weird Billy reformed the band when he was so adamant in saying he never ever would back in 2000. Then the day With Teeth by NIN goes in at number 1 on the billboard charts he realizes 1990's alt rock bands still sell records so suddenly reforms the group??? Weird Why not just call it Billy Corgan or another band name? Continuation of his solo career? hhhhmmm. someone still wants more money! Dont blame him. As long as it gives him an excuse the bang the classics out live.
    Also how weird was that bass player D'arcy? great bass player but she looked like such a miserable junkie bitch all the time. Her face looked like she was working in a cardbox factory when the band were playing onstage , cold cold woman. weird.
    but i appreciate this group's stuff more now than ever.

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    I just adore Billy not only because he's such a brilliant musician and artist but because he's such a wonderful human being and humanitarian and just an overall good and valuable person and citizen.

    Billy and I both live in Highland Park, Illinois, and we each love Highland Park. Billy has a huge wonderful historic Adler on Lake Michigan, but he doesn't act like his shit don't stink. He is a regular at several venues and restaurants and shops in HP. And everybody remembers him and loves him, and we all treat him with respect and love, and he treats us likewise.

    Most importantly, he's been such an awesome supporter of Titles on St. Johns in HP, a rare book store. Florence, one of the owners, became very ill, and Billy went to visit her every day in the hospital. He's like a son to Art and Florence.

    http://indianhillmediaworks.typepad..../08/index.html

    And now he's going to open a tea house at the old Ravinia post office

    There's even a Billy Corgan Roll at Happy Sushi in Ravinia.

    Billy, we love you, please never leave HP. XOXO.

    Here's hoping our beloved Cubbies finally win the World Series this year, under Theo Epstein.

    Oh, yeah, and thanks for all the free stuff.
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    in a world where everyone hates on billy corgan, that's a very nice thing to read.

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    The end jam to "Silverfuck" on Earphoria gets me every time.

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    Good Interview with Corgan in this month's MOJO (the one with the New Order covers CD)

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