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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    Zeitgeist gets a lot of hate, which I understand, appreciate, but disagree with. It does have some pretty great tracks. I’ve always loved “Neverlost” and “United States.”
    Always loved that album.

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    I'm not the biggest fan of Zeitgeist (the album) because of the packaging - all that 5 color variants bullshit, and the production (not musical, more of a tracklist issue for me).
    But I really love and enjoy the concept of the Residency Tour and Zeitgeist era songs. Some amazing B-Sides, namely GOSSAMER, also great live show soundboard bootlegs/DVD (If All Goes Wrong).
    That's The Way and Tarantula are the greatest singles from SP 2.0 as far as I'm concerned. Oceania is a better album as a whole, while Zeitgeist had more solid songwriting.
    And let's just forget Monuments for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poro765 View Post
    I'm not the biggest fan of Zeitgeist (the album) because of the packaging - all that 5 color variants bullshit, and the production (not musical, more of a tracklist issue for me).
    But I really love and enjoy the concept of the Residency Tour and Zeitgeist era songs. Some amazing B-Sides, namely GOSSAMER, also great live show soundboard bootlegs/DVD (If All Goes Wrong).
    That's The Way and Tarantula are the greatest singles from SP 2.0 as far as I'm concerned. Oceania is a better album as a whole, while Zeitgeist had more solid songwriting.
    And let's just forget Monuments for a while.
    Loved Zietgiest/American Gothic/If All Goes Wrong and feel that's an underrated period for Billy/SP. Major drop in quality between those releases and the half-assed Teargarden project, and those shows sucked too. But they did bounce back with Oceania/MTAE.

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    Zeitgeist bothers me because it's just the worst goddamned example of bad production decisions, and this is after Zwan.

    -Irritating chorus of Billies going AAAaaAAAAAA(aaaa)AAAAaAAAA that ruins Bleeding The Orchid, which I otherwise like
    -Bill's overall vocal delivery going down the tubes, he was noticeably dropping consonants left and right (come on and feelalo, wi ah staz, etc.)
    -Botched tracklist. Absolutely every one of the best songs of the period (Barring Death From Above which was way better as a piano composition) winds up a store exclusive of some sort. I just tack the title track onto the end of the Best Buy silver edition and go through the whole bloated thing, skipping the stuff I don't care for - which I'll cop to are rarely the same tracks consistently.
    -Doomsday Clock was just a lifeless awful single

    -The record sounds like it's coming from inside a large hollow tin can. United States ALMOST kicks my ass but it doesn't have the punch. IIRC Billy's tried to point the finger at Roy Thomas Baker and Terry Date but he and Jimmy were responsible for the lion's share (again, see United States). They never should have been.

    And it's all such a shame because the good songs on this thing are really fucking good. Neverlost, Stellar and Ma Belle rank among some of the best tracks he ever wrote, IMO. Title track is amazing. That's The Way was Bill's last great single and I love the solo breakdown. Gossamer is a beast. I find myself going back to ZG more than almost any other album these days; it's an album of missed opportunities.

    What also sucks about the Machina reissue being delayed is Bill's refusal to move past it because he had once mentioned wanting to give ZG a full remix. And it would finally get an LP release. I still hope that happens someday.

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    FWIW, Doomsday Clock wasn't single, although it charted. (Tarantula and That's the Way were singles). And it has second best drumming on the album (after U.S. of course).

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    Yeah, you're right. I think I've mentally categorized it as such due to its inclusion on the Transformers soundtrack; I listened to that thing over and over again trying to like it.

    I don't have a problem with Jimmy's drumming. But the album's production does it an incredible disservice, and that track is also full of awful AAAAAAAoooooowwwww Billy chorus. The whole thing chugs along, but it's got no energy.

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    Zeitgeist
    It ain't bad, but yes terrible production decisions. Plus missing Superchrist, my favorite post original SP track.

    Teargarden
    Ehhh, I do like Astral Planes and The Fellowship, but still lacking overall.

    Oceania
    It starts out strong, but quickly deteoriates. Sure, the vocal/guitar production is above Zeitgeist, but Zeitgeist has the stronger songs. Plus the drums on this are sterile and lifeless and honestly sound artificial/programmed.

    Monuments To An Elegy
    I like Tiberius... hate the rest. The production is better. But the lyrics are absolutely weak, the songs are highly repetitive, ooooh look away folks, Tommy Lee is playing the drums. No journey.

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    A Crash Course On The Smashing Pumpkins' 'Comeback' Albums
    https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...albums-rundown

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    sometimes i forget about superchrist. that was actually an okay song.

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    Contest to attend a Los Angeles "1979 house party" thrown by SP with a performance. Yamaha Guitar to be won. Of course it's not open to residents of Quebec because of my province's fucking contest laws.
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    People at KROQ apparently heard the new song yesterday. If radio stations are receiving it I'm guessing it's going to land any day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    People at KROQ apparently heard the new song yesterday. If radio stations are receiving it I'm guessing it's going to land any day now.
    Did they have anything to say about it? Positive reaction or no? I'm really looking forward to seeing what they've cooked up...

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    Apparently Jack Bates is out?

    You’re doing the Smashing Pumpkins reunion tour in place of D’arcy. There’s been some controversy around that online, have you found yourself in the firing line.

    I’ve played with them a few times before ‘cause I’m mates with Jimmy. He’s sound like. Me dads known them for years. I don't pay no mind to this online stuff but I'm not doing the tour now anyhow.


    Really? What happened?

    Their guys said the old bass player didn’t want to do it but then there was all this drama on the old tinternet like Billy had messed her about a bit and she did want to do it. They got me because I would do it cheaper and I’m no fuss like. I wasn’t having any of that. I’m not eating another bassists dinner and I told them that. Billy got well mad and even called me dad.


    He called your dad? (note: Jacks father is the legendary Joy Division / New Order bassist Peter Hook)

    Yeah I was round me dads at the time. We were having a pint of best, watching some videos. Women trying to park, like the one where some birds trying reverse into a space and she flips the whole car over. Anyway the phone goes off and it’s Billy Corgan ranting and raving about contracts. Me dads just laughing at him and telling him where to go, he doesn’t take any crap from sixers. Then he puts me on and I tells Billy he’s calling the wrong bass player and maybe he should call the lass who used to play bass for him and apologise for being a swanny dickhead.


    So you’re contractually obliged to perform with the Smashing Pumpkins?

    I don’t care about any of that mate. I aint eating another bass players dinner, I just told you that and I told him that. He can come up here and talk about contracts if he likes I wont pay it no odds, I didn’t sign anything. Little prick will be going home in an ambulance. He sent me a letter because he’s too scared to come up and see me or me dad. I’m not taking anything off a six stringer. One punch, end of.


    What did the letter say?

    Oh I never seen anything like it in all my days. It started with “For whom it may concern”. The daft twat was writing to me, he knows me name but he wants to be all fancy like. For whom it may concern. Fucking hell. He said a load of guff about how big his bollocks are and that I don’t understand the powers I’m messing with and he can grow hair if he wants to, I don’t know what thats got to do with the price of milk. He’s puddled as a duck, if he lived round here he’d get sectioned. I’ll send it you, it’s bonkers.


    Have you responded to the letter?

    No I don’t know how you’d reply to a letter like that. I showed it me dad and we got a good laugh out of it. I dunno how you respond to a guy like that. He’s offering me out like he’s Hulk Hogan and saying all this nonsense like. I’d just send back two words “get help”. It’s the two extra strings I reckon it can turn some blokes nuts. Same thing happened to Barney.

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    ^That's a Netphorian parody shitpost

    And no nothing specific. Usual HEY WE JUST HEARD THIS CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT STAY TUNED FOR OUR LIST

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    ^That's a Netphorian parody shitpost

    And no nothing specific. Usual HEY WE JUST HEARD THIS CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT STAY TUNED FOR OUR LIST
    Oh. Well, it did make me chuckle! (someone put some serious effort into their parody shitpost)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_discord View Post
    Oh. Well, it did make me chuckle! (someone put some serious effort into their parody shitpost)
    i 100% believed that was real, honestly. too fucking funny.

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    I was thinking about something just now.

    People spent five, six, seven or more hours in line to get NIN tickets today. Say SP did the same thing (current lineup or with D'Arcy) and you could only get tickets via the actual venue. How do you think that would go? My guess is there would be a decent turnout but not like today for NIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    I was thinking about something just now.

    People spent five, six, seven or more hours in line to get NIN tickets today. Say SP did the same thing (current lineup or with D'Arcy) and you could only get tickets via the actual venue. How do you think that would go? My guess is there would be a decent turnout but not like today for NIN.
    Id agree that NIN is probably the more popular live act right now, and probably has been for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Id agree that NIN is probably the more popular live act right now, and probably has been for awhile.
    Agreed. Outside of their main acts, and nothing against professional wrestling as I still admire the shit out of it, while Billy was playing around in TNA and getting deeply involved with all that drama ... Trent was keeping a steady profile with his film scores. I'd also say that personal opinions on everything post With Teeth aside, I think Trent's had the better discography and overall better live show between him and Billy.

    That being said though, I am still a little bummed that St. Louis is getting the shaft for this tour and I won't be able to make the Kansas City show. I've still never had the chance to see them live and if anything, this tour would be one hell of a first show.

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    nin is in another league altogether now, any which way you look at it. they can even headline festivals, SP did in 07 but probably not today. obviously the quality of the output is also higher.

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    Most of these arena shows seem to have sold from 65-80% with a few sold out dates. Considering all factors, that's impressive and better than expected but there would not be the kind of scramble there'll be for NIN tix

    Where the fuck is that single?

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    NIN in 2018 is about a billion times more exciting than SP in 2018, and I fucking love both bands.

    SP would almost certainly be more exciting if the past 10 years of SP hadn't happened, though, just by virtue of it being a huge reunion. Say what you will about the music of SP 2.0, and even the WPC solo album (I really like probably 2/3rds of all that music, honestly, and I think Oceania is a really solid album), but my opinion of Billy has diminished heavily over that time. Dude has proven to be a petulant asshole so many times over, breaks promises/abandons projects more consistently than he keeps them, and has effectively shat all over whatever amount of goodwill he's been able to build in that time (Oceania got pretty good reviews, the lineup was 'believable' and he broke it apart; came across as a good guy after the WPC album, then pulls nearly unforgivable (imo) shit with D'arcy, etc.) He has no idea how to connect with fans. Look at netphoria- it's basically a Billy Corgan hate site.

    Trent is better than just about anybody when it comes to connecting with fans in interesting/unique ways. They're the only band I'd ever go stand in line for tickets like this for. Fuck, a NIN show really is the only event I'd line up for like this. I trust Trent. I don't trust Billy. I think that's what it boils down to.

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    I’m at a point with Billy where all I want is for him to be able to do the Machina reissue and Zeitgeist remaster/overhaul so I can stop paying attention to his weird self-serving BS

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    Looks like their new touring keyboard player is their old touring bassist.

    https://www.alternativenation.net/ne...ts-to-cricism/

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    Every time I see this thread I'm expecting to read that the tour has been canceled.

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    I sincerely wish for this tour to be successful and the reunion to last. But some people just want to watch the world burn, I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    Every time I see this thread I'm expecting to read that the tour has been canceled.
    I was hoping for news on the Solara single release and/or music video. That still frame of it actually looked pretty cool and the director appears to do good work. Maybe I shouldn't get my hopes up too high because there hasn't really been a GOOD Pumpkins video for at least a decade.

    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    I sincerely wish for this tour to be successful and the reunion to last. But some people just want to watch the world burn, I guess
    Agreed. I'd like to see the D'arcy situation get resolved so she could rejoin them at some point down the line, but if that never happens, I'm content with the current lineup. I would, however like to see them get a permanent bass player who fits in with the rest of the band and contributes to the song-writing process, rather than a hired hand who bangs out the hits for a paycheck.
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    With the whole Bass player situation, it still baffles me that they didn't at least reach out to Melissa Auf der Mar to see if she would be interested in coming back. Melissa is a bad ass Bass player and fit well in the Pumpkins lineup during the Machina era.

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    Isn't Melissa retired? I know she has a daughter and may have taken a step back from touring/performing.

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