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    Keep in mind there is a difference between being internet famous for being popular, having a gimmick, etc. vs being internet famous for actually creating/producing/contributing.

    It's like Logan Paul vs ... I don't know... the guy who does "Smarter Everyday"


    Hell, I'm using it right now as a way to pivot my career more towards my hobby. 6mo of that has been more useful than 20 years of building a resume. There are a lot of uses. It's just a tool. And the loudest use of the tool doesn't make the tool.

    But some of the loudest uses of a tool happen to be tools themselves

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    I've known some of the biggest and brightest computer nerds in the world (I'm not gonna name drop) for over 30 years, some who have patents, and some who have stuff in the Smithsonian, who aren't rich from it but who do get asked for autographs and who are in documentaries. Being known in computer geek circles doesn't necessarily mean "generally famous" or "rich" by any stretch of the imagination. These people do what they love which is also their hobby, but it's a realistic hobby and passion. Not the same as "I'm gonna make a million bucks uploading videos of me puking cinnamon."
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    I've known some of the biggest and brightest computer nerds in the business (I'm not gonna name drop) for over 30 years, some who have patents, and some who have stuff in the Smithsonian, who aren't rich from it but who do get asked for autographs and who are in documentaries. Being known in computer geek circles doesn't necessarily mean "famous" or "rich" by any stretch of the imagination. These people do what they love which is also their hobby, but it's a realistic hobby and passion. Not the same as "I'm gonna make a million bucks uploading videos of me puking cinnamon."
    Some do. Mitneck (intentionally misspelled for reasons) is the best example of leveraging his fame and getting speaking engagements out of it. The dude actually wants me to build him something so he can leverage it for more speaking engagements. There are some notable famewhore types in the industry. And a lot of who people idolize those who are famous.

    But yeah, some are using it for brand/marking and some are using it just to show the world, similar to art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Some do. Mitneck (intentionally misspelled for reasons) is the best example of leveraging his fame and getting speaking engagements out of it. The dude actually wants me to build him something so he can leverage it for more speaking engagements. There are some notable famewhore types in the industry. And a lot of who people idolize those who are famous.

    But yeah, some are using it for brand/marking and some are using it just to show the world, similar to art.
    Well, but also just for UTILITARIAN purposes. The first bulletin board system was built in a snow storm by hobbyists because they couldn't have a meeting because of a snow storm, not because they thought they'd make a million dollars. They never made any money from that, ever, nor did they want to; original geeks were pretty purists about that, too, it was a different time. The guy who wrote me a little autodial script in the 80s so I wouldn't have to keep typing in a whole shitload of numbers into PC Pursuit also wrote PicoSpan and he didn't make shit from that, nor did he care. Computer nerds were some original socialists, LOL. But nerds would talk about guys like Vint Cerf just like people talk about Trent Reznor on this board. Hell, I was at a conference once and guys were getting autographs from Chuck Forsberg.

    Holy shit, we're getting into Nerd Drift, here.
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    young media led by youngsters, no business plan other than"stocks will rise". most don't have a tech background my guess is zuck. could not code hello world in python or anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    young media led by youngsters, no business plan other than"stocks will rise". most don't have a tech background my guess is zuck. could not code hello world in python or anything else.
    -Louie
    To be fair, Steve Jobs couldn't code, either.

    edit: On a side note, you know what I really miss, Louie? Cursor dancing. (Moving ASCII art) Such a lost art.
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    The thing is, you will never be able to create a SOCIAL media platform without all the cancer it inherently brings. You can have Facebook 2, Twitter 2 and Youtube 2, but you know well, that we will have Logan Paul 2's, Facebook 2 scams and breaches in personal data security, etc. We will never have some utopystic thing where quality and honest content can thrive, while popularist shit will rot. It's up to the parents to educate their young that it is not a steady living, and even if they think they are on the top right now, it is very unlikely it will last.

    Also, are we sure there will be 2s from these sites? Keep in mind, stuff like Myspace and Friendster were like the IBM in the operation system race. Microsoft and Apple still rule the market, and it's hard to imagine that a new contender would ever risk their status among casual users. Same could be applied to Youtube or Facebook as well. Google+ failed, Youtube got Google money and power behind them, Twitch got Amazon, while Twitter is your president's favorite free time activity. A better idea alone seems way too little to bring these monsters down. Just imagine what Google money could do against you if you were to compete with Youtube; Youtube threw Pewdie into the dumpster the first moment when he became riskier to advertise as the face of the company and replaced him with the Paul brothers. So yeah, I'd be afraid to just be the friend of these corporations, let alone their enemy.

    And you can't really catch them higher up. Twitch recently changed their rules into rubber ones, so they can literally do whatever they want with you. Basically they made rules which are violated by 99.9% of every streamer, so they can just weed out whoever they want on the basis of that alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    The thing is, you will never be able to create a SOCIAL media platform without all the cancer it inherently brings.
    Well, yeah, you're absolutely right about that. The fact is that YouTube NEEDS content, and it needs not just any content but especially content that draws viewers, especially lots and lots of viewers that can generate ad revenue. And, unfortunately, sometimes (often) lots of viewers want to look at really stupid (or awful, or evil) shit. And that will never change. And you're right about the prior platforms being horrible behemoths to manipulate (although it WAS fun fucking around with MySpace pages, LOL, although I had an ETS friend whose MySpace page could seriously cause seizures). And whatever takes its place will have the same scenario; it's human nature that's causing these problems, not the platform, itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Well, but also just for UTILITARIAN purposes.
    Shit yeah! I'm just fucking around cause it's fun and I love the occasional opportunity to show it off and have people go "what.... thefuck..."

    My favorite thing this year was landing in Forbes while wearing ridiculous clothing and acting like a criminal, and my mom nagging me about how I should dress nicer and not look like a degenerate. I pissed myself laughing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    The thing is, you will never be able to create a SOCIAL media platform without all the cancer it inherently brings.
    That's the excuse for the beginning of the filtering. And I knew we started down the slippery slope when they started going after the white supremacist sites. Nobody wanted to fight for them, but the approach was clearly that of morality police.

    Now they have been demonetizing or outright banning content that isn't objectionable. Fucking ammo reloading videos got hit. That is complete bullshit.

    They will be their own downfall by pushing too far. The SEST/FOSTA stuff is going to add some really fucked up morality policing to the internet as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalChaos View Post
    Shit yeah! I'm just fucking around cause it's fun and I love the occasional opportunity to show it off and have people go "what.... thefuck..."

    My favorite thing this year was landing in Forbes while wearing ridiculous clothing and acting like a criminal, and my mom nagging me about how I should dress nicer and not look like a degenerate. I pissed myself laughing.
    LOL dude, that’s awesome !

    The PROBLEM with these filters is that HUMANS aren’t doing the filtering.
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    Has anyone been keeping up with this sex cult story? It's super fucking bizarre.

    Supposedly Allison Mack who portrayed Chloe Sullivan in the TV series Smallville is like one of the big kahunas in this thing.

    http://www.denofgeek.com/us/culture/...nxivm-sex-cult

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-s...h-his-initials


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    the argument that youtube is targeting or censoring anyone is stupid, even though backed by google. they still have operating costs. they tried a subscript model "youtube red". but could not cover the costs. running a video streaming service is not cheap. so they went back to the only proven way to make money on the internet which is to sell ads. so before you start screaming about targeting or censorship. don't support the advertisers. look i don't like the views of fox news so i neither watch nor support their advertisers. look i like the views of the young Turks. so i pay for a subscription. so i can get my fill of loony left wing commie pinko tripe. gun nuts there's NRA TV. white supremacy you're going to have a tougher time. but last I checked you still could not find child porn on porn hub. look it's pretty near impossible to design an algorithm to the job of a sentient human being. then we can scream about robots instead of immigrants who are taking our jobs.
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    Good points, Louie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastdisciple View Post
    Has anyone been keeping up with this sex cult story? It's super fucking bizarre.

    Supposedly Allison Mack who portrayed Chloe Sullivan in the TV series Smallville is like one of the big kahunas in this thing.

    http://www.denofgeek.com/us/culture/...nxivm-sex-cult

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-s...h-his-initials

    Yeah I’ve seen an interview with one of the women, she thought it was some kind of woman empowerment thing until she was blindfolded and naked and in a room full of women and forced to hold each other down while they got branded, some kind of crazy mind-screwing shit, and it wasn’t until way later that she realized the brand was this guy’s initials upside-down. I hope they nail this dude.

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    so now that that is done. can we get back to talking about the idiot how he's sending the national guard to the border to protect us from a caravan from Honduras that only exists in the minds of fox news contaminators. how he's getting us into a trade war with china, who just happens to hold 70% of US's total dept. and....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    so now that that is done. can we get back to talking about the idiot how he's sending the national guard to the border to protect us from a caravan from Honduras that only exists in the minds of fox news contaminators. how he's getting us into a trade war with china, who just happens to hold 70% of US's total dept. and....
    -Louie
    And since my parents are Honduran and live in the U.S., legally I might add, they really hate El Stupido.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie_Cypher View Post
    so now that that is done. can we get back to talking about the idiot how he's sending the national guard to the border to protect us from a caravan from Honduras that only exists in the minds of fox news contaminators. how he's getting us into a trade war with china, who just happens to hold 70% of US's total dept. and....
    -Louie
    The weird thing is, Presidents have stationed the National Guard at the border for years, this isn’t a big deal. I didn’t even KNOW this until Trump started trying to appeal to his base (or trying to get props, I dunno).

    See this: https://nypost.com/2018/04/07/heres-...to-the-border/

    Immigration levels are the lowest since 1972. Crisis omg!

    President Clinton stationed armed military at the Mexican border (with the approval of Congress, which is required) but an innocent Mexican farmer was shot by a Marine and that was the end of that.

    This is the wrong thread for this, though. The Trump thread is another thread.
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    JESUS god, some of that zuckerberg testimony is disturbing.
    I may be spelling this wrong, but it's when they ask him about a company called Palantir? Palenteer? Something like that.

    Edit: I found a video. It's the second bit of questioning that's so disturbing. He is OBVIOUSLY lying and also seems angry.


    it quite literally made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    JESUS god, some of that zuckerberg testimony is disturbing.
    I may be spelling this wrong, but it's when they ask him about a company called Palantir? Palenteer? Something like that.
    .
    That's interesting, yeah i looked them up and the co-founder is Peter Thiel (co-founder of PayPal) who is or was an adviser for Trump.

    Here's the wiki on them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    JESUS god, some of that zuckerberg testimony is disturbing.
    I may be spelling this wrong, but it's when they ask him about a company called Palantir? Palenteer? Something like that.

    Edit: I found a video. It's the second bit of questioning that's so disturbing. He is OBVIOUSLY lying and also seems angry.


    it quite literally made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
    Paging @DigitalChaos and @Louie_Cypher

    I’m sure this must be typical of Big Data / InfoSec these days, and necessary for counter-terrorism

    The meme of Zuckerberg that was passed around yesterday, “SCREAMING INSIDE,” was pretty funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    The meme of Zuckerberg that was passed around yesterday, “SCREAMING INSIDE,” was pretty funny
    I love the Zuckerberg is a robot one:



    Zuckerberg is David from Prometheus. We're so screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Paging @DigitalChaos and @Louie_Cypher

    I’m sure this must be typical of Big Data / InfoSec these days, and necessary for counter-terrorism

    The meme of Zuckenberg that was passed around yesterday, “SCREAMING INSIDE,” was pretty funny
    I've stated already what i think of face book security and zuckenberg in general. i don't want the government involved looked i don't know how much this influenced the election but i don't want either "side" in control of this. look no mater the intention corp corps are no benevolent their sole reason to make money. look how much money is thrown at lobbyists right now to influence legislation. the US has a long history of over reacting to things in can't comprehend. an example of this is the shoe bomber one attempt and now we all have to take off our shoes to get on a plane, i don't want a bunch of 70 year old men who call IT for help in setting up an Uber account on their phone. this could get very dangerous very so please stay woke and stay informed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marodi View Post
    I love the Zuckerberg is a robot one:



    Zuckerberg is David from Prometheus. We're so screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marodi View Post

    Zuckerberg is David from Prometheus. We're so screwed.
    Hahaha I swear to god, I was thinking "if ANYONE is actually really a Reptilian Alien, it's this motherfucker here."

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    So I was watching this history channel doc about Rockefeller and Morgan and such. And it came down to Rockefeller being on trial for violating anti trust laws. And he's kind of like "yeah, fuck you, I started this industry. And you start complaining now?"

    Then I saw the headline about how Zuckerberg made 3 billion during the hearing and I was sort of struck by the parallel.
    There was no real regulation for how something like Facebook should work because there had never BEEN anything quite like Facebook. Zuckerberg provided Facebook to people and they are it up, even as we collectively kind of knew we were getting fucked. similarly, Rockefeller and Morgan made these massive strides in industry and made the country better even as workers were getting fucked over, prices were fixed, etc.

    In both cases people got sick of it.

    Also, Morgan fucking bailed out the U.S. Government in more than one occasion, just as Facebook has assisted in counter terrorism.

    Idk, it really tripped me out.

    Sorry for double post.
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    Yeah, it's pretty troubling how often regulation only finds impetus after the problem is running wild. There's a documentary on AI that came out this week which makes you realise how important it is that governments start legislating pre-emptively, and understand the technology springing up. It's called Do You Trust This Computer, same guy who did Who Killed The Electric Car.

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    YIKES, this Southwest Airlines incident is CRAZY!

    The engine failed at a high altitude, chunks of the engine hit a passenger window, broke out the window, and STARTED SUCKING A PASSENGER OUT OF THE PLANE, then a bunch of passengers got up and pulled the passenger back in, then the pilots started rapidly descending so that everybody wouldn't DIE within seconds, and the oxygen masks dropped, witnesses said there was "blood everywhere from the passenger near that window" (who has since passed away) and the plane made an emergency landing.

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    They also had an engine burst into flames in February. WTF is going on with that airline?

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    See, the reports I'd been reading just said that one person died but they didn't mention the part about BEING SUCKED OUT OF THE WINDOW. Jesus Christ!

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