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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    I always confuse "She's Gone Away" and "God Break Down The Door" with "In Motion" and "Hypomania."
    Two newer NIN tunes that immediately come to mind that sound like HTDA tunes are The Lovers and ashes Gine Away. The latter honestly has nothing to do with Mariqueens credited vocals, just has the vibe of HTDA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Two newer NIN tunes that immediately come to mind that sound like HTDA tunes are The Lovers and ashes Gine Away. The latter honestly has nothing to do with Mariqueens credited vocals, just has the vibe of HTDA.
    I was just teasin' ya. I had just posted a day or so ago that there are several HDTA tracks that sound exactly like NIN songs but with Mariqueen singing instead of Trent. I can kinda hear what you mean with the Lovers but not really with SGA.

    I'm not sure Atticus' involvement is really the issue, though. I'm assuming that Trent is still kind of the main director/auteur (maaaaybe not with the scores), so you'd have to take that up with Trent. I think there are obviously *some* similarities, but HM is different enough from WO, which is definitely different enough from what we've heard of the trilogy so far, that it's not an issue. I think the scores are closest to HTDA, at times, but don't sound too much like recent NIN. Not beyond vague "feels" anyway, and even then I mostly don't hear it.

    I personally thought that Welcome Oblivion was the most unusual NIN-related record I'd heard in some time when it came out. It sounded like they spent a lot of time on it (and they did) relative to the NIN releases after WT. It does have some similarities with the scores but it has a density of sound that I hadn't heard on a NIN or NIN-adjacent release since The Fragile, so it sticks out in the later Trent discography for me.

    Bad Witch does not seem like it's gonna be a retread of anything NIN has done ever, save for some minor "Driver Down" or TPD vibes here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    I was just teasin' ya. I had just posted a day or so ago that there are several HDTA tracks that sound exactly like NIN songs but with Mariqueen singing instead of Trent. I can kinda hear what you mean with the Lovers but not really with SGA.

    I'm not sure Atticus' involvement is really the issue, though. I'm assuming that Trent is still kind of the main director/auteur (maaaaybe not with the scores).
    This is always the thing I do struggle with. I’m not sure how much is Atticus, how much is Trent, etc. (even with credits and what not) There is that timeline of what seems that Atticus got more involved with everything and the music seems “same-ish”.

    Interesting to banter about though, and a case of “what if”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    This is always the thing I do struggle with. I’m not sure how much is Atticus, how much is Trent, etc. (even with credits and what not) There is that timeline of what seems that Atticus got more involved with everything and the music seems “same-ish”.

    Interesting to banter about though, and a case of “what if”.
    It's impossible to know who's doing what on each song but it seems like, from the Song Exploder on The Lovers, Trent does raw playing and Atticus chops up the audio and edits it into an actual backing track, and then Trent writes more on top of that. I believe they said they did something similar for GBDTD. That can't apply to every trilogy song easily, but it could definitely apply to at least a few of them. I would imagine that since NIN has been almost exclusively Trent except on the FTDS credits for 30 years, that it's still his final call on what he likes and doesn't even though they're co-writers now.

    I still think the "sameness" comes down to there being much less time between releases, the fact that there is *so much* material if we include all the scores, and the fact that more often than not bands stop innovating midway into their career, if they ever revamped their sound at all. As crazy as Kid A/Amnesiac was for Radiohead, they never made another leap like that, just kept refining their sound and recombining old elements into new sounds and songs. And since it's hard to think of another big 90s band that kept changing their sound as much, I think both were really dependent on borrowing and transforming semi-underground/niche music like Warp Records into pop music structures, and I don't know who's doing that kind of innovation in music post-internet that they could be as "inspired" by (which is, I guess, why we have a song that sounds like a NIN remix of a Blackstar song).

    Which is why I'm kinda surprised by the EP trilogy, and especially by GBDTD. I know not everyone loves the song, but they really never made a song that sounds quite like that before, which is really unusual for an almost 30 year old band.
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    Calling it a nin remix of a blackstar song seems a bit condescending though. Please re-listen to blackstar, would do some good.

    I must add that, talking of band doing new things decades into their career, I more often see, although not that often, "artists" trying to jump on a bandwagon and trying to adapt their style to the current sound. And so I'm glad that Trent and Atticus just.. don't give a shit. They might be inspired by the current new forms of music but really dive into what they want, into themselves, new and free-of-anything experiences, with The Trilogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockAvuryah View Post
    Calling it a nin remix of a blackstar song seems a bit condescending though. Please re-listen to blackstar, would do some good.

    I must add that, talking of band doing new things decades into their career, I more often see, although not that often, "artists" trying to jump on a bandwagon and trying to adapt their style to the current sound. And so I'm glad that Trent and Atticus just.. don't give a shit. They might be inspired by the current new forms of music but really dive into what they want, into themselves, new and free-of-anything experiences, with The Trilogy.
    You're right, it sounds condescending or at least flippant but I didn't mean it that way. I really love the track. It does not have any of the jazzier elements that Blackstar does, which is why it kind of reminds me of the NIN remixes of 90s Bowie songs where they'd be somewhat "simplified" to be more brutal or hard-hitting.

    And that's true ... I was thinking more of successful changes to a band's sound, but there's plenty of stuff like Beck's Colors where the band or artist tries to sound a lot younger or more contemporary than it's capable of. But mostly that stuff doesn't stick in my memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    I don't know if it's tasteless, but I would really like to hear 'Just Do it' some day if it was ever recorded at all. And, of course, 'The Beauty of the Drug'.

    I'd really love to hear both of those also, and the cover of "Sex Dwarf" they evidently had recorded around that time. I always wondered if "The Beauty of The Drug" eventually became the source material for Aphex Twin's part on "The Beauty of Being Numb", or even "The Perfect Drug".

    I can't imagine how fucked up "Just do it" must have been to elicit that kind of reaction from Flood in the context of the other material on that record, but I've always really wanted to hear it though. Speaking of which, TDS turns 25 next year, and releasing these, in addition to everything else we haven't heard from Le Pig, would be an awesome way to celebrate the ol' girl turning the wrong side of a quarter century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Seaward View Post
    Yeah, what is her name again? I also know her only as "the woman on the Led Zeppelin cover." It's too bad she's never done anything else of note. =/
    I couldn't tell you what band she's in if my life depended on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papagolash View Post
    I couldn't tell you what band she's in if my life depended on it.
    A badass one.

    Since there seems to be genuine confusion over whether my post was sarcasm - it definitely was. Karen O is a well established, talented musician known for her work with Yeah Yeah Yeahs. They're very awesome and very worth looking into for anybody who isn't familiar. Clearly Trent respects them and so should you.


    This quote might not build a lot of goodwill in recruiting new fans, but I came across it while Googling for further info re: TR's opinion on YYYs* and found it funny.

    "I plead total ignorance to Led Zeppelin. I am totally in the dark about them" Karen O told The Sun.

    "That was the reason I could muster up whatever it took to actually cover that song. I didn't have any reverence for the track as I didn't really know it. When they asked I thought it was called 'The Pilgrim Song'".

    Continuing, Karen O described her performance as "angsty". "When I went into the studio to record the song I was feeling pretty angsty. I poured all my torment into the track as Trent's section was pretty rad. It's ballsy with the primal scream in there which was really fun and liberating to do".
    * Anybody know if Trent has mentioned Karen/YYYs in any interviews? All I can find is a bunch of press for Immigrant Song.

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    Oh I knew your post was sarcasm. Doesn't change the fact that I couldn't tell you what band she's in, and if anyone mentioned Karen O to me, my 1st thought is that she sang on that Immigrant Song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post


    He worked for that iteration of the band in my opinion. Some people give him shit for standing still and bobbing his head and not running around on stage, but I've never understood why he needed to do that to be considered an asset to the live band. His bass playing really brought some extra "oomph!" to the tracks they played, and that's what really matters to me at the end of the day. Would he work with the current, more aggressive iteration of the band? Probably not, but there's a more ragged performance quality to this version compared to the more polished version we saw during the Tension tour.
    I'm not mad on his stage presence, but it's his playing style I have problems with the most. There were some songs where he contributed with things I enjoy but I particularly hate what he did during HLAH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papagolash View Post
    Oh I knew your post was sarcasm. Doesn't change the fact that I couldn't tell you what band she's in, and if anyone mentioned Karen O to me, my 1st thought is that she sang on that Immigrant Song.

    I'd say chances are high you've heard at least Gold Lion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papagolash View Post
    Oh I knew your post was sarcasm. Doesn't change the fact that I couldn't tell you what band she's in, and if anyone mentioned Karen O to me, my 1st thought is that she sang on that Immigrant Song.
    The actual names of musicans in bands usually eludes me, hell if it weren't for mp3, I used to only know songs by track number on the CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shunt View Post
    I'd say chances are high you've heard at least Gold Lion.

    Just took a listen, I've never heard that song before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papagolash View Post
    Just took a listen, I've never heard that song before.

    https://youtu.be/oIIxlgcuQRU

    Give that guy a try.
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    Gotta have heard Maps. Everyone knows Maps. Song was massive, and reached even more people later on bc of Rock Band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Here’s something controversial that I’ll definitely get shit for: I’d like to see Atticus step away from NIN for awhile. Change of pace. Seems like a lot of the score stuff/HTDA/NIN can be interchangeable since 2011.
    Not controversial at all. I'd love to see him jettisoned from the studio sessions for a little while and see what Trent comes up with if he wasn't around playing with countless types of repetitious drum patterns and loops that never, or barely, change throughout a song.

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    Seems more realistic that people who think NIN suck and have been exactly the same for about a gazillion years should step away from whingeing about it on forums all the time, anyway they tried getting somebody else in to produce HM so it's not like it's something that hasn't been thought about
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Not controversial at all. I'd love to see him jettisoned from the studio sessions for a little while and see what Trent comes up with if he wasn't around playing with countless types of repetitious drum patterns and loops that never, or barely, change throughout a song.
    I mean, aren't all NIN songs like this, even before Atticus? We have almost all the instrumentals from TDS and TF, and it seems fair to say that almost all of the non-instrumental TF songs consist of repetitious drum patterns and loops that don't really change much? Only the originally instrumental TF songs evolve a lot in terms of the loops underneath the layers of instruments. That's kind of the "NIN sound" and is true of almost all computer-based popular music. If anything, some of the new EP tracks seem to evolve more than pre-Atticus music.

    I still believe that even though Atticus brings a lot to NIN and is now an official member, that it's still kinda Trent's call as to what goes out and what's good enough for NIN? Like, basically: I would assume that Trent has veto power, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfoot_heavyhand View Post

    https://youtu.be/oIIxlgcuQRU

    Give that guy a try.

    Hehe nope, never heard that one either.

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    I have been on here before saying how much I didn't like YZ and how YZR was like Strobe Light only not a joke. Well I have changed my mind. I still can't get into two thirds of YZ, but I think YZR is great. I now prefer YZR to YZ.

    I would like to compile a hybrid of the 2 albums for my own pleasure, but the mastering is very different and it would be hard to get it working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astfgyl View Post
    I now prefer YZR to YZ.

    I would like to compile a hybrid of the 2 albums for my own pleasure, but the mastering is very different and it would be hard to get it working.
    As do I! There's WAY more variety to YZR in it's production and I almost prefer some of the remix versions against the original YZ songs.

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    From what I have read and watched, NIN's is trying to make music to better fit how people consume music, hence the last two EPs and the next EPish LP. I don't think this is working. I think NIN's making one-off songs or easy to consume EP's is about as silly as Pink Floyd doing the same. Some bands, people, make epic albums that require that you sit your butt down and listen to an entire album in its entirety, numerous times, to truly appreciate its depth and excellence.

    NIN's has been my favorite band for decades. I have enjoyed every album. I don't get what they, TR, is doing right now. I wish I liked it. I want to like it. I don't like it. I am glad most of the people on this forum do. We are lucky that NIN's is still making music after all of the years. That being said... I just don't get it.

    I literally joined this forum because I had to put this opinion out into the universe.

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    What is there to get? It's two EPs and an album that work together as a loose narrative. Just because it's not all in one album doesn't make it pointless. If you don't like the music itself, fine, but the concept is pretty clear, and it's not that out there of an idea.

    Also...you know...Broken and The Perfect Drug and Burn and Deep and...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanic Voyager View Post
    From what I have read and watched, NIN's is trying to make music to better fit how people consume music, hence the last two EPs and the next EPish LP. I don't think this is working. I think NIN's making one-off songs or easy to consume EP's is about as silly as Pink Floyd doing the same. Some bands, people, make epic albums that require that you sit your butt down and listen to an entire album in its entirety, numerous times, to truly appreciate its depth and excellence.

    NIN's has been my favorite band for decades. I have enjoyed every album. I don't get what they, TR, is doing right now. I wish I liked it. I want to like it. I don't like it. I am glad most of the people on this forum do. We are lucky that NIN's is still making music after all of the years. That being said... I just don't get it.

    I literally joined this forum because I had to put this opinion out into the universe.
    I feel like the only "easy to consume" thing on the first two EPs is "Less Than". On most everything else you can't hear the lyrics and the music is hardly what a normal person would call "palatable". The weird slow jazz of TITP? The 7 minute meltdown at the end of TBW? It's nuts...

    As far as not liking what's going on, I feel like these EPs were an experiment and that he'll (probably?) get back to something less out there for halo 33.

    Maybe.

    Or we'll get Ghosts V-VIII.

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    Halo 33 will be a 3xLP conceptual sequel to "Screaming Slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    Or we'll get Ghosts V-VIII.
    Coincidently, I revisited Ghosts for the first time in a very long time today. There was some really great stuff on there. A lot that I really wish he fleshed out more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenSpiral View Post
    There was some really great stuff on there. A lot that I really wish he fleshed out more.
    "God Break Down The Door" has Ghosts like qualities to it, to my ears...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    Halo 33 will be a 3xLP conceptual sequel to "Screaming Slave."
    Whatever it is, I hope it's fucking amazing, simply because my friend Barrett has been going by @halo33 for as long as I've known him and I'd be REALLY bummed out if it sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulerage View Post
    The only thing I've ever disliked about the song is how it literally just recycles Down In It for the bridge. But even then, the recycle is well-done and fits, musically.
    AFTER OVER 20 YEARS AS A NIN FAN I HAVE NEVER MADE THAT CONNECTION. Fuck me (gently) with a chainsaw, this changes everything.

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