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So cold it can sting.
I can get behind that. Really strange to see how so many actually want HLAH and Hurt gone from the setlists, yet they have no problem with MOTP and Piggy.
I was nobody. Nothing.
i swear, i don't even thing TRENT likes playing HLAH anymore.Originally Posted by Microwave Jellyfish
I'm tired of MOTP too. I don't want hurt removed from the setlist, i just can't handle the sinking feeling it gives me as the closer.
And piggy (PLEASE don't hit me everyone) has always bored me live.
Melty Member
We are all big NIN fans though. If someone who only has one or two NIN albums didn't hear HLAH or MotP live, they would be upset. NIN won't leave them off the setlist. Can we all stop talking about how NIN live staples are overplayed?
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That's the main thing. "oh, HLAH and Hurt, time to go home". If he opened with Hurt (weirdness aside) it would totally change things up. We wouldn't know what was happening next.
I was nobody. Nothing.
it's funny you say that, the Mrs was suggesting that very thing last night.
I think it would be awesome if they opened with closer and then went into hurt.
I went to see Rush one time and they opened with Tom Sawyer, which was awesome...it was like "if you're here for this, here it is...you can leave now if you like. we are going to play whatever the fuck we want now."
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Closer then hurt would be like starting the concert at full speed only to bring it to a screeching halt right at the second song, no ? Hurt would be a great intro, I agree, but its place is either at the very beginning, as a bridge in the middle of the show, or at the end of it. Anywhere else either kills the show dead in its tracks, or would render the emotional charge of Hurt completely powerless.
I was nobody. Nothing.
Yeah, you're right.
Okay, intro with some nasty ass version of Closer from the closer to god EP.
Play hurt as a bridge.
Close with The Great Below followed by In This Twilight.
When i was at LITS, it was so fucking perfect, but it appeared that hurt would be the last song. I HATE it as the last song because it is SO FUCKING HOPELESS! It negates any positivity felt from the show (for me.)
Then, they started playing ITT...and i admit, i cried tears of...IDK what...but not sad ones.
Granted, ITT is kinda dark, but it has a LOT of positive lines, especially "we can find a better place."
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For me, the only version of "Hurt" that maintains the substance the song intends to convey is the one that fades in directly after the "The Downward Spiral" (e.g. album version). In my opinion, this is the only way the song is as impacting as it needs to be.
If there were an ideal live version of "Hurt," it would be middle of the set (when TR tones it down for a few songs), TR playing a piano rendition of the song, one spotlight, with the only "heavy" part coming in for the final "...I will find a way" portion (drums/guitar/abrasive lights). It looks and sounds marvelous in my head, but I would love to see this happen in reality.
God is an American
The phrase "Ghost Piggy" just makes me think of this.
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Make the ending less predictable is my basic point. I don't care how. I just want that last 10 minutes of gig to be more exciting rather than planning my dinner that night.
Melty Member
What is that lol?The phrase "Ghost Piggy" just makes me think of this.
I was nobody. Nothing.
Make the whole thing completely unpredictable! @icklekitty , you've been around a long time. that's what you really want, isn't it?
i know that casual fans would be pissed if they didn't get the songs they recognized, but good god, wouldn't it be incredible to hear trent play a different set EVERY NIGHT?
You know, that's what pearl jam does.
Some bands do shit like that and some bands don't. My parents went to see bowie when he was doing the tin machine thing and they ONly played songs off the tin machine album (which was a nasty permutation of grunge rock with, of course, Bowie at the helm.)
Like i said earlier about the lights...i hope trent made an obscene amount of money with the beats deal. I want him to be able to do WHATEVER HE WANTS.
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Monkey Island
Melty Member
Sorry @botley . My knowledge of old school videogames failed me
Hairy Member
AVOTT is boring, one of my least favorite tracks on YZ.
Active Member
I've just been reading the MTV v-jay Kennedy's book on the nineties and she says that Madonna was leaving messages at Nothing Studios for a collaboration I assume but Trent would never respond with some bollocks excuse - anyway my controversial opinion is that I'm FAR more intrigued as to what that would sound like than Tapeworm which I never really cared about ever
BACKROLLS?!
^Apparently she wanted him to work on the Ray of Light album, which would have been AMAZE.
Throbbing Member
I think TR should have given up on NIN and stayed with HTDA. Mostly because I think his voice is shot and he should use Mariqueen as the lead vocalist for new material going forward.
Active Member
I don't really like the song And All That Could Have Been. To me, the song never really takes off and feels like it plods along.
Also, the way the line "I could have been!" was sung makes me cringe. It sounds so forced and weak.
Active Member
Mid 90s Madonna was cool. That would have been an awesome collab. Someone needs to mashup Human Nature with Closer.
That is controversial.
Pink Nails
This is controversial, but I agree with it. I think he really wanted to end NIN after the 2009 shows. But HTDA wasn't as exciting as NIN... I don't think so either... But it was a great idea to start again after all these years, with a new band. His voice is not the issue.
Vertiginous Member
I'd been thinking that during NIN's hiatus, but Trent seems to have found a new larynx since the Wave Goodbye tour. Hesitation Marks' singing is strong and varied, and throughout the tour cycle he's sounded better than he has since Fragility. My (controversial?) opinion.
Active Member
Disagree on the voice thing
I generally agree I'd like to see more HTDA
BUT… I'm much happier with the possibility of Hesitation Marks as a last statement from NIN than The Slip. I love both, but HM is fucking killer and up there in the NIN pantheon
Throbbing Member
I don't think it was that HTDA was less exciting(for him) as much as it was Columbia telling him he'd make more money releasing music under the NIN moniker. But either way, he could/should have stuck with Mariqueen. But who knows, maybe she didn't want that.
Last edited by HurtinMinorKey; 07-12-2014 at 05:11 PM.
grrr. woof.
WORD. erotica to bedtime stories to ray of light -- the best, most experimental era. some of my favorites (namely erotica).
Now I'm 0000
Who's to say he won't go right back to work on HTDA after this tour (and Gone Girl) are over? If anything, he seems determined to avoid boredom — after two soundtracks and 1.5 HTDA albums, it was time to do some NIN again. Not sure it's necessary to ascribe financial motives to everything.
Bedtime Stories is the only Madonna album I ever bought — didn't regret it, either.
grrr. woof.
it's fantastic and weird and all over the place genre-wise. not as groundbreaking as erotica, but an understated great record.
Now I'm 0000
I'm putting Erotica and Ray of Light in my Spotify queue right now.
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When we got back from the recent London show, my sister put the Beside You in Time DVD on and we both thought his voice sounds a lot stronger now than then. I wonder if it's because as time goes on more songs are added to the catalogue that suit his current voice more
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