Controversial Nine Inch Nails opinions

[sheepdean]

Vessel is about drugs and sex being the same (though it's Parepin). Which is like, half of With Teeth's content.

[r_z]

I've always been under the impression that Trent was about to pull a Kid A/Amnesiac in 2005/06 with W_T being the first one. Non-Entity and Not So Pretty Now were planned for the follow up that never materialized because of YZ. It's the reason I'm looking forward to a possible W_T anniversary edition... because there might be a few leftovers lying around. But who knows, really...

[Ryan]

Not sure if this is controversial per se, but I've always thought these are the most beautiful lyrics Trent has ever written.

Probably even more so to me as they are dedicated to his maternal grandmother, and my own grandmother who I was extremely close to passed away on May 6, 2004 -- the DAY -- and I mean spot on, to the day, when nin.com finally updated and the "type writer" font showed up. That wasn't too long after I first started getting into NIN circa 2002/2003 -

As black as the night can get
Everything is safer now
There's always a way to forget
Once you learn to find a way how

In the blur of serenity
Where did everything get lost?
The flowers of naïveté
Buried in a layer of frost

The smell of sunshine
I remember sometimes

Thought he had it all before they called his bluff
Found out that his skin just wasn't thick enough
Wanted to go back to how it was before
Thought he lost everything
Then he lost a whole lot more

A fool's devotion
Swallowed up in empty space
The tears of regret
Frozen to the side of his face

The smell of sunshine
I remember sometimes

I've done all I can do
Could I please come with you?
Sweet smell of sunshine
I remember sometimes

[Omega]

Those are great lyrics. He's so dang talented.

For topic, I didn't think much of The Dragon Sountrack.

[piggy]

I'd agree that it's probably his best lyric. For example, even though sunshine doesn't really have a smell, it still makes perfect sense. Like, just having a sense oriented memory of what it was like to be happy in the past. And the line about the tears frozen to the side of his face captures the sadness and coldness of the situation at the same time.

[MrSlfDstruct]

I always associate the smell of sunshine lyric with how a girl's hair smells after she's been outside in the sun. I guess the same would be true of a guy's hair, but I don't smell other dudes' hair.

Whenever my wife has been outside and I smell it I always tell her she smells like sunshine.

[Charmingly Miserable]

I don't think the U.S. leg of the Tension tour wouldn't happen the way it did without Trent signing to Columbia.

[Merovee]

That song in "Conversations with Trent Reznor" that he said he left out of Hesitation Marks because he thought it sounded too close to "Find My Way"...should've been on the album.

I like "All-Time Low" better in its slower, "unlistenable" form.

[howdidislipinto]

Everything is so fucking good.

Trent needs to do Beach Boys melodies/harmonies all of the times.

[thefragile_jake]

When I think about all of the times I've seen Nine Inch Nails, Tension 2013 probably ranks as my least favorite show....which is a shame because the record that came out in that era is by far still holding up very well.

[screwdriver]

When I think about all of the times I've seen Nine Inch Nails, Tension 2013 probably ranks as my least favorite show....which is a shame because the record that came out in that era is by far still holding up very well.

damn dude, really!? What other shows have you seen??

tension 2013 was probably the "best" I've seen, but I'd have to recommend tripping balls on shrooms at the Terminal 5 "last" NYC show as my favorite ;-)

for context, my show history courtesy nintourhistory:

2013-10-14	Barclays Center	Tension 2013	Brooklyn	New York	United States
2009-08-26	Terminal 5	North America	New York	New York	United States
2009-06-06	PNC Bank Arts Center	NIN/JA 2009	Holmdel	New Jersey	United States
2009-06-05	Susquehanna Bank Center	NIN/JA 2009	Camden	New Jersey	United States
2008-08-27	Izod Center	Lights In The Sky Over North America	East Rutherford	New Jersey	United States
2005-09-23	Key Arena	With Teeth Fall Arena Tour	Seattle	Washington	United States
2005-05-01	Coachella Music Festival	With Teeth Club Tour	Indio	California	United States
2000-06-09	The Gorge Amphitheatre	Fragility v2.0 Tour	George	Washington	United States

[m15a]

When I think about all of the times I've seen Nine Inch Nails, Tension 2013 probably ranks as my least favorite show....which is a shame because the record that came out in that era is by far still holding up very well.

Judging from your location, I'm guessing you went to one (or more) of the first few shows? That might have made a difference. There were some technical difficulties (plus possibly not being ready with some material) from the YouTube footage I saw.

By the NY concert (which I also went to), it was a pretty different show.

[aggroculture]

TR should make an album just him and a (grand) piano.

[sheepdean]

TR should make an album just him and a (grand) piano.

Is that controversial? I'd pay just for ONE song like that.

[aggroculture]

I was thinking of adding that maybe when Rick Rubin told him to go to Big Sur and write on a piano he wasn't ready, but maybe now he is.

I wonder if he'll go see King Buzzo acoustic. He's certainly taken a few influences from Melvins over the years.

[r_z]

Too many generic NIN-moments/lyrics ruin Hesitation Marks.

[r_z]

Also, fuck a piano album. I can't image anything more boring. No one needs that kitschy shit.

[Krazy]

When I think about all of the times I've seen Nine Inch Nails, Tension 2013 probably ranks as my least favorite show....which is a shame because the record that came out in that era is by far still holding up very well.

Do you own a time machine or something?

[thefragile_jake]

Do you own a time machine or something?

Just saying that Hesitation Marks is still holding up man. Geeze.

[Krazy]

Just saying that Hesitation Marks is still holding up man. Geeze.

Don't take my comment too seriously, just being sarcastic. Honestly thought it was an odd choice of words when HM is only about 7 months old.

[katara]

Also, fuck a piano album. I can't image anything more boring. No one needs that kitschy shit.

I guess you never heard Still.

[r_z]

I did, actually, and I quite like the Fragile outtakes. But I think there would be nothing more awkward for Trent than trying to be this singer sitting behind a piano playing/singing all those self indulgent songs (new ones or old ones) we already heard a million times.
For one I don't consider him a good enough singer, while his notoriously cringeworthy lyrics wouldn't stand a test if not accompanied by / hidden under the brilliant production of synths, loops, beats, etc. Come to think of it, I'd actually prefer another Ghosts album next time. Unless he finally manages to break free from his habit of rehashing the same old topics and phrases he lazily goes back to in his lyrics ever since, for whatever reason.

[jessamineny]

I did, actually, and I quite like the Fragile outtakes. But I think there would be nothing more awkward for Trent than trying to be this singer sitting behind a piano playing/singing all those self indulgent songs (new ones or old ones) we already heard a million times.
For one I don't consider him a good enough singer, while his notoriously cringeworthy lyrics wouldn't stand a test if not accompanied by / hidden under the brilliant production of synths, loops, beats, etc. Come to think of it, I'd actually prefer another Ghosts album next time. Unless he finally manages to break free from his habit of rehashing the same old topics and phrases he lazily goes back to in his lyrics ever since, for whatever reason.

What makes a good singer is character, ability to convey emotion, and fearlessness. Pitch doesn't hurt either. He has all of that in spades.

[fillow]

The idea of Still came spontaneously, and the material was collected from entirely different places (CRC show rehearsals, One Hour Photo rejects, The Fragile outtakes, one or two originals). I'm not sure the result will be the same if Trent forces out of himself another quiet album just for the sake of it.
I'm not saying he isn't capable of coming up with awesome quiet pieces - Ghosts and soundtracks prove he is. But I'm pretty sure there won't be specifically Still II album.

[ComradeCornhole]

I did, actually, and I quite like the Fragile outtakes. But I think there would be nothing more awkward for Trent than trying to be this singer sitting behind a piano playing/singing all those self indulgent songs (new ones or old ones) we already heard a million times.
For one I don't consider him a good enough singer, while his notoriously cringeworthy lyrics wouldn't stand a test if not accompanied by / hidden under the brilliant production of synths, loops, beats, etc. Come to think of it, I'd actually prefer another Ghosts album next time. Unless he finally manages to break free from his habit of rehashing the same old topics and phrases he lazily goes back to in his lyrics ever since, for whatever reason.

While I disagree with your characterization of TR's songwriting, I concur, in a way, with your sentiment about doing songs at a piano. I actually think that would be fine, but, if you ask me, what would be better would be TR sitting at a piano and just keeping his mouth shut. An album length sonata or something would be something for which I'd sacrifice non-essential body parts. Maybe a toe. One of the little ones.

[ComradeCornhole]

Since I'm here: I think THTF is a fine song, especially in a vacuum. I had ditched radio before WT came out, so I didn't get flooded by it like so many others did. And because of geography, I've only been to a scant handful of shows, so it doesn't bother me there, either.

[Fangster_]

Otherwise I adore Find My Way, but the lyrics always force my teeth to grind. HM in general is one big contrasty hit n' miss party of lyrics.

As the thread demands, let me put it controversially enough:

[nothing8]

Well done, this almost made me shoot hot tea out of my nose from laughter.

[slave2thewage]

I roll my eyes whenever people call That's What I Get and Kinda I Want To "stupid" or "immature" yet wank themselves silly over The Only Time.

[Little_Dreamer]

I think Trent's a great lyricist.
Yes.
Maybe it's because english isn't my first language and I'm more than happy that I don't need a dictionary and a lexicon to understand what he's saying, I don't know, but I love (most) of his lyrics.
Also, I love That's What I Get. I don't think it's immature at all, I think it's lovely.