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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    Broken is overrated.

    *GASP!* …. Just remember…





    Just a joke, but on the comparison between Broken and any other nin release, something that makes broken unique and may give it an unfair advantage for a few of us is that it has an accompanying film. After having seen the Broken Movie, for me those images play in my head every time the disc is spinning. The movie is like a frantic nightmare on film that to this day looks a little too real in some scenes. The music was already aggressive, but coupling it with those scenes that revel in the cruel, grisly and the taboo, it really fortifies the music in a way that is unique in the nin catalogue. After seeing the movie several times it’s hard for me to judge the music in a vacuum because my mind can’t divorce that imagery from the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Channard View Post
    *GASP!* …. Just remember…





    Just a joke, but on the comparison between Broken and any other nin release, something that makes broken unique and may give it an unfair advantage for a few of us is that it has an accompanying film. After having seen the Broken Movie, for me those images play in my head every time the disc is spinning. The movie is like a frantic nightmare on film that to this day looks a little too real in some scenes. The music was already aggressive, but coupling it with those scenes that revel in the cruel, grisly and the taboo, it really fortifies the music in a way that is unique in the nin catalogue. After seeing the movie several times it’s hard for me to judge the music in a vacuum because my mind can’t divorce that imagery from the music.
    Well, damn, I'm sorry, but here comes another controversial opinion.


    The Broken movie isn't all that shocking and to me personally, it really comes across as cheap, Broken Movie is cheap, at least to me personally, it reminds me of the likes of The Serbian Film and so on, where it is really intended to just shock, I don't think it compliments music that well, conceptually, Broken isn't about anything the Broken Movie displays, it's just out of the place. I don't think Broken's material is so "hateful" to justify this video, artistically, I just don't see much in The Broken Movie, well, aside from how realistic they actually managed to make it look, that is respectable.

    I'll give some segments credit though, that being Pinion and Help Me I Am In Hell, those are actually somewhat subtle and suit the music really, really well in my eyes and actually create some sense of terror to me.

    I also like the part where the guy keeps replaying the "Fistfuck" part to the guy, heh, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    Well, damn, I'm sorry, but here comes another controversial opinion.


    The Broken movie isn't all that shocking and to me personally, it really comes across as cheap, Broken Movie is cheap, at least to me personally, it reminds me of the likes of The Serbian Film and so on, where it is really intended to just shock, I don't think it compliments music that well, conceptually, Broken isn't about anything the Broken Movie displays, it's just out of the place. I don't think Broken's material is so "hateful" to justify this video, artistically, I just don't see much in The Broken Movie, well, aside from how realistic they actually managed to make it look, that is respectable.

    I'll give some segments credit though, that being Pinion and Help Me I Am In Hell, those are actually somewhat subtle and suit the music really, really well in my eyes and actually create some sense of terror to me.

    I also like the part where the guy keeps replaying the "Fistfuck" part to the guy, heh, lol.
    Haha, no need to be sorry man, you’re in the right thread to piss on broken if you want to.

    And yeah, it can be put in the category of over the top shockrock. In the digital age of 2018 gore-porn films (such as A Serbian Film) are a dime a dozen. We even have access to the real stuff with sites like bestgore. But in the world of the early to mid 90s, for those of us who remember it, this kind of stuff wasn’t run-of-the-mill click a button and you’re there. At that time the market (especially in music) wasn’t flooded in that kind of easily accessible content. The Broken Movie felt like some underground taboo thing, it felt dangerous. For me personally, the music is indivisible with the imagery. But looking back at it strictly through modern lenses, it might seem more like a cheap gimmick or publicity stunt.

    Overall, Broken isn’t very high up on my personal list of favorite nin works. But a number of its tracks are longtime staples to the live incarnation, which is a testament to its importance as an early ep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    The Broken movie isn't all that shocking and to me personally, it really comes across as cheap, Broken Movie is cheap
    Super-saturation of gore and violence in film now has nulled us to this kind of horror. Consider the time and context in which it was made.

    Of course it's there to shock. That's the point. It was designed to look and feel like a seedy snuff film, which it delivers in spades. It's brutal and way more realistic than it should be. It is by no means 'cheap'. There are no jump-scares, no eye-rolling tricks; it's so explicit yet so matter-of-fact. Sure, it's so over-the-top, it's almost comical in places (like the post-film head scene). There is a silliness, there is schlock, but again, that's the point.

    If anything else, it's a great document of where Trent was experimenting in taking NIN after the synth-rock funk of Pretty Hate Machine. He had his success with that album, and this is what he wanted to do next? Not exactly a by-the-numbers music career. With this in mind, it's no surprise he took Marilyn Manson under his wing.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    conceptually, Broken isn't about anything the Broken Movie displays, it's just out of the place
    The centrepiece of the film, Happiness In Slavery, is visually exactly what the song is about. Subjecting yourself willingly to something horrific and enjoying it.

    While it's not in the film, do the lyrics from Last not conjure up some of this sort of imagery? "Dress up this rotten carcass just to make it look alive"
    In fact, the sounds and lyrics from this whole era just scream absolute hate. Every pore oozes FUCK YOU to the system.

    Remember that Broken was created 25 years ago. The world was different then. At that time, the Sin video, with a topless woman and some guys wearing dildos, would have been considered shocking in many circles.

    It hasn't ever been released officially and was very hard to find for many years. Until recently, all that existed was a really dodgy, low-quality leak. There was a sense of mystique about the film. Something only whispered of. When I saw it first (early 2000s), I got the feeling that I shouldn't be watching it. Of course, I saw the whole thing. I don't feel that it's a perfect visual representation of the music, but it's what Trent and Peter Christopherson wanted to make. This was their vision.

    I'd say that The Broken Movie is still shocking even now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    My point being, asking for Broken after NTAE and Bad Witch seems ridiculous, but that is just me, maybe I'm just annoyed from visiting Facebook so much and reading frankly awful YouTube comments, who knows?
    I've always done this at some point because I am also interested in seeing opinions about Nine Inch Nails outside of Echoing the Sound.

    But yes, I read some comments claiming that either The Downward Spiral or The Fragile were the last good NIN albums worth listening to, to some of them actually wishing that Trent Reznor was more angry, miserable and addicted to drugs in hopes that they'll get more albums just like Broken and The Downward Spiral.

    Anyway, aside from the overall purpose and nature of this very thread, it's certainly refreshing to see any opinion like yours in reference to 2000s NIN even if I'm still perpetually stuck in a regular listening loop of everything Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth. I have also been wondering about NIN fans that preferred the 2000s NIN over the 1990s NIN ever since The Slip came out, since the 2000s were about to be over at the time.

    Which are your favorite 2000s albums so far?

    I'm already guessing that you'd be big on With Teeth and Year Zero, but I'm just curious, since there's also And All That Could Have Been (Still) *Not actually an album, I know, but I like to put it into 2000s NIN, even if it was a bridge from The Fragile to With Teeth.*, Ghosts I-IV and The Slip to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halo Infinity View Post
    I've always done this at some point because I am also interested in seeing opinions about Nine Inch Nails outside of Echoing the Sound.

    But yes, I read some comments claiming that either The Downward Spiral or The Fragile were the last good NIN albums worth listening to, to some of them actually wishing that Trent Reznor was more angry, miserable and addicted to drugs in hopes that they'll get more albums just like Broken and The Downward Spiral.

    Anyway, aside from the overall purpose and nature of this very thread, it's certainly refreshing to see any opinion like yours in reference to 2000s NIN even if I'm still perpetually stuck in a regular listening loop of everything Pretty Hate Machine to With Teeth. I have also been wondering about NIN fans that preferred the 2000s NIN over the 1990s NIN ever since The Slip came out, since the 2000s were about to be over at the time.

    Which are your favorite 2000s albums so far?

    I'm already guessing that you'd be big on With Teeth and Year Zero, but I'm just curious, since there's also And All That Could Have Been (Still) *Not actually an album, I know, but I like to put it into 2000s NIN, even if it was a bridge from The Fragile to With Teeth.*, Ghosts I-IV and The Slip to consider.

    My favorite albums would have to be The Slip, Year Zero and Hesitation Marks, I love everything but I think these are really strong showcase of Trent's talents, I love the EP Trilogy but they don't feel as "refreshing" as these, which I felt were true game changers.

    I like With_Teeth too, but I don't really consider it amongs these, it is amazingly fun, amazingly track-listed, but it doesn't showcase Trent's fullest abilities, and he wasn't really going crazy experimenting yet as he would on next of the releases, where he has gone absolutely wild with creativity no matter what people thought.

    Still is an amazing album, I see as still being part of The Fragile era, I think I actually like it more than The Fragile itself. Incredibly powerful, All That Could Have Been and Leaving Hope are master-pieces.

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    I mean, the Broken movie WAS some seedy underground taboo thing.
    I heard rumors about its existence back in the day. It was something people passed around on VHS. When I first saw it, I thought there was no way that NIN was associated with it. It WAS fucking shocking, back then at least.

    So yeah, time and place.

    And Broken was my first NIN album and will always be my favorite to a certain degree. I was listening to it for a couple of years before TDS came out and I had never, ever heard anything like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    Super-saturation of gore and violence in film now has nulled us to this kind of horror. Consider the time and context in which it was made.

    Of course it's there to shock. That's the point. It was designed to look and feel like a seedy snuff film, which it delivers in spades. It's brutal and way more realistic than it should be. It is by no means 'cheap'. There are no jump-scares, no eye-rolling tricks; it's so explicit yet so matter-of-fact. Sure, it's so over-the-top, it's almost comical in places (like the post-film head scene). There is a silliness, there is schlock, but again, that's the point.

    If anything else, it's a great document of where Trent was experimenting in taking NIN after the synth-rock funk of Pretty Hate Machine. He had his success with that album, and this is what he wanted to do next? Not exactly a by-the-numbers music career. With this in mind, it's no surprise he took Marilyn Manson under his wing.


    The centrepiece of the film, Happiness In Slavery, is visually exactly what the song is about. Subjecting yourself willingly to something horrific and enjoying it.

    While it's not in the film, do the lyrics from Last not conjure up some of this sort of imagery? "Dress up this rotten carcass just to make it look alive"
    In fact, the sounds and lyrics from this whole era just scream absolute hate. Every pore oozes FUCK YOU to the system.

    Remember that Broken was created 25 years ago. The world was different then. At that time, the Sin video, with a topless woman and some guys wearing dildos, would have been considered shocking in many circles.

    It hasn't ever been released officially and was very hard to find for many years. Until recently, all that existed was a really dodgy, low-quality leak. There was a sense of mystique about the film. Something only whispered of. When I saw it first (early 2000s), I got the feeling that I shouldn't be watching it. Of course, I saw the whole thing. I don't feel that it's a perfect visual representation of the music, but it's what Trent and Peter Christopherson wanted to make. This was their vision.

    I'd say that The Broken Movie is still shocking even now.
    Wasn't it not released due to Trent's decision as he didn't want it to distract people from the actual music. I could be wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    I heard that Broken wasn't released due to Trent's decision as he didn't want it to distract people from the actual music. Icouuld be wrong though.
    I remember reading something along those lines. So he wound up just giving a few copies to friends, with minor differences so he would know who leaked it if anyone ever did. And apparently, it wound up being Gibby Haynes who was responsible for unleashing that shit on the world.

    But yeah, it was SO fucking cool that there was this bizarre secret thing people were talking about. My best friend told me he had seen it in 93 maybe? And I was like "bullshit, that's just an urban legend."
    13 year old me didn't believe such a thing could possibly exist.

    And honestly, after I finally saw it, I was kind of disturbed and felt uncomfortable listening to NIN for awhile, hahaha.

    also, again, we didn't think Trent was actually involved with it at first.I

    But DAMN it was cool the way it came out.

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    I think its possible that Trent purposely released the Broken Movie in that way in order to give it that "you REALLY shouldn't be watching this" feel. I think some of the shock value would have been taken out of it had they just released it normally. It would still be shocking, but you'd be aware of it being a product if it came to you in a lovingly shrink-wrapped VHS tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    I think its possible that Trent purposely released the Broken Movie in that way in order to give it that "you REALLY shouldn't be watching this" feel. I think some of the shock value would have been taken out of it had they just released it normally. It would still be shocking, but you'd be aware of it being a product if it came to you in a lovingly shrink-wrapped VHS tape.
    It certainly added to the snuff film feel of it, yeah. That and the low quality made it feel like a home movie, which made all the violence (especially that version of the Gave Up video, which was pretty damn horrific and shocking).

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    This all kinds of reminds me of the surprise people had when they got NTAE's physical component delivered to them, when it was delivered to my house, dad was so scared of it he has hidden it away, thinking it was something illegal or something, he was scared of the text on its front, I was so lucky for him not to just straight out throw it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    This all kinds of reminds me of the surprise people had when they got NTAE's physical component delivered to them, when it was delivered to my house, dad was so scared of it he has hidden it away, thinking it was something illegal or something, he was scared of the text on its front, I was so lucky for him not to just straight out throw it out.
    I had mine delivered to my work, which was (I've since moved on) a secure agency that checks mail in an enclosed room for airborne disease issues and opens everything. Also the company didn't put my name on the address label so I was pretty damn lucky to walk down there and still find it. They were like, "We were wondering who this belonged to, one more day and we would have thrown it away." No powder for me, though I can only guess what they thought when they opened it.

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    While I did very much enjoy the recent EU shows (I saw them at Meltdown and the Royal Albert Hall), I feel we got a bit screwed over with the set lists, given what's been happening in the USA so far.

    I really did have a lot of fun, and I'm glad I got to see them again. I'm just a little disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katara View Post
    While I did very much enjoy the recent EU shows (I saw them at Meltdown and the Royal Albert Hall), I feel we got a bit screwed over with the set lists, given what's been happening in the USA so far.

    I really did have a lot of fun, and I'm glad I got to see them again. I'm just a little disappointed.
    To be fair though, after two years of basically the same fucking setlist every single show from Fall 2005 - Summer 2006, they went to Europe and played WITT, Heresy, Ruiner, The Becoming, and more tracks for the first time and we didn't get the majority of those until 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    I had mine delivered to my work, which was (I've since moved on) a secure agency that checks mail in an enclosed room for airborne disease issues and opens everything. Also the company didn't put my name on the address label so I was pretty damn lucky to walk down there and still find it. They were like, "We were wondering who this belonged to, one more day and we would have thrown it away." No powder for me, though I can only guess what they thought when they opened it.
    dude that's fucking hilarious.
    But why did you do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustARandomGuy View Post
    I prefer Post-Fragile (2000s - 2010s) NIN to the old nin 90s.

    Broken is overrated.

    Year Zero is the best album.

    Trent is still angry. People who want "Broken aggression" back are not really listening to the records all that well.

    People care too much about what is acessible and not; something being acessible doesn't make it worse, nor better of course.


    With_Teeth is an amazing album with amazing track-list and pacing, fast, fun and aggressive from top to bottom.

    Post-Fragile material is weak af in comparison, but hey people seem to like it. By now it's become fact that brilliant musicians peak when they're the most miserable (i.e. for TR is was the 90s.) and produce their best work during that time frame. Newer material clearly reflects his current happier state, which obviously is not for everyone and that's cool too.

    Perhaps the folks who want that old aggression back should move onto different bands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss.Selfdestruct View Post
    Post-Fragile material is weak af in comparison, but hey people seem to like it. By now it's become fact that brilliant musicians peak when they're the most miserable (i.e. for TR is was the 90s.) and produce their best work during that time frame. Newer material clearly reflects his current happier state, which obviously is not for everyone and that's cool too.

    Perhaps the folks who want that old aggression back should move onto different bands.
    My god no, especially regarding the miserable part. Trent's work now is as good as it was back then. Year Zero is my favorite NIN record, maybe a tie with The Downward Spiral.
    The recent trilogy is way up there too. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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    Which it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poro765 View Post
    Trent's work now is as good as it was back then.
    Ill respectfully disagree- although I don’t think it’s because he’s not on drugs or alcohol anymore. Musicians, IMHO, just run out of ideas and topics. Being young and hungry helps as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Ill respectfully disagree- although I don’t think it’s because he’s not on drugs or alcohol anymore. Musicians, IMHO, just run out of ideas and topics. Being young and hungry helps as well.
    I mean, we've talked about this before: it may well be as good, but it doesn't affect ME quite the same way.
    It's still fucking great though.

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    My entry point was the TDS in the early 2000's...and i HATED it, the only album i ever returned to the store.

    Fast forward a year later and i found Still and i fell in love with it, went back and did the same with the Fragile, Broken and eventually TDS...and it finally clicked.

    TDS will always be my fav, but the newer albums are still great. Add Violence though, now that is something i feel is so close to TDS and Still in outstanding quality! I do also feel TR's soundtrack work is some of his best work, but i always was a sucker for instrumentals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Musicians, IMHO, just run out of ideas and topics.
    Here's my controversial opinion: this happened a long time before some fans think it happened.

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    What if the ep trilogy had been released as an album way back in 1994, and The Downward Spiral was the new release as assorted eps over the last few months, would our perception still be that old nin was great and that Trent is all out of ideas with the new stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Channard View Post
    What if the ep trilogy had been released as an album way back in 1994, and The Downward Spiral was the new release as assorted eps over the last few months, would our perception still be that old nin was great and that Trent is all out of ideas with the new stuff?
    I love playing with the idea of certain NIN albums/EP's being released at different times in an alternate universe and wondering how they would change what we think about NIN/Trent. I think technically the EP Trilogy is more experimental than the TDS, but TDS still feels way ahead of its time.

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    I wonder what TR of 1992 would think of the music of TR 2018, if the music could be sent back in time and young TR could hear it. (not really controversial, more of a random thought but it goes well with what @Steven and @Dr Channard are talking about.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven View Post
    I love playing with the idea of certain NIN albums/EP's being released at different times in an alternate universe and wondering how they would change what we think about NIN/Trent. I think technically the EP Trilogy is more experimental than the TDS, but TDS still feels way ahead of its time.
    Fun scenario to stew on for sure. Puts into perspective an era and perhaps one's own state of mind when you got into the band.

    Someone said it already in the last page, it comes down to an artist running out of that hunger for success and validation. Take any other favorite artist as an example, their best work will be the first 2-3 albums. Idk, it's fascinating observing the evolution of different musicians.

    Always thought it neat how they play with touching on more experimental tunes between major sound eras. TDS was significantly raw, heavily influenced by other musicians of that time (i.e. Coil). EP trilogy also plays with baby steps into abstract.

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    The TDS @Haysey ? myself, I've always appreciated The TDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haysey View Post
    the only album i ever returned to the store.
    Wait, you were able to return an open album (CD/tape/vinyl) to a store?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Wait, you were able to return an open album (CD/tape/vinyl) to a store?...
    Yeah...well yes and no, return it i did but had to settle for store credit (if memory serves i just got a handful of random '3 for £10' albums HMV were doing...i don't think any of them were any good!)

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