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    Quote Originally Posted by joplinpicasso View Post
    Hmm, interesting. If anything, to me, NTAE is missing *something, but not really, because it's a fantastic little gritty thing. Perhaps what it's missing is..sadness? There's a sadness to songs like Find My Way on HM and TITP on ​AV.
    You're right there, and I hadn't really thought about it before but maybe I was wanting some not emotional NIN and I didn't know it because it was mostly the emotionally gripping side of things that I thought I wanted with pretty much every release since aWitha Teethuh. And now he has sort of eschewed the emotion with NTAE, which feels really disconnected (or something like that can't think of the proper word), it turns out I find that the most interesting of the last few.

    I love NIN. No other band ever really got me thinking so hard about it all.

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    I find “I Do Not Want This” to be extremely skippable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astfgyl View Post
    You're right there, and I hadn't really thought about it before but maybe I was wanting some not emotional NIN and I didn't know it because it was mostly the emotionally gripping side of things that I thought I wanted with pretty much every release since aWitha Teethuh. And now he has sort of eschewed the emotion with NTAE, which feels really disconnected (or something like that can't think of the proper word), it turns out I find that the most interesting of the last few.

    I love NIN. No other band ever really got me thinking so hard about it all.
    I think in that sense, NTAE is an amazing contrast to HM, whereas HM was regretfull and melancholic, NTAE almost feels disgusted, angry, confused and apathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    I find “I Do Not Want This” to be extremely skippable.
    It's a great song, but not one that's particularly easy to listen to. It's complex, but not in a gradual way; it's chaotic. Also, the instrumental gap towards the ending is a bit too long.

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    Burroughs met Reznor and the dudes from Ministry and said that Reznor was the most miserable person he’d ever met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    I find “I Do Not Want This” to be extremely skippable.
    it's my second-favorite song on TDS. i love all the layers and the abrasiveness of it.

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    I just listened through TDS for the first time in a while, and I Do Not Want This became one of my absolute favourites from the record. That drum loop is brilliant, and the way that it builds up to the outro is so intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acrid avid jam shred View Post
    I just listened through TDS for the first time in a while, and I Do Not Want This became one of my absolute favourites from the record. That drum loop is brilliant, and the way that it builds up to the outro is so intense.


    nice to see some love for this amazing song. The first few lines of "I wanna know everything, I wanna be everywhere" has to be one of my favorite moments in any NIN song. The way his voice sounds on those

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    Vinyl only releases and fucked up ticket distribution schemes will cost NIN fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzburbank View Post
    Vinyl only releases and fucked up ticket distribution schemes will cost NIN fans.
    Trent seems to want to make headlines for some really stupid reasons (two, if we’re counting) today.

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    i really, really, really want the PHM flight jacket, but it's $100, and it's literally just a black version of this jacket with some printing on it :/

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    "Bad Witch": worst NIN album/EP title ever in the history of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
    "Bad Witch": worst NIN album/EP title ever in the history of the world.
    It is pretty stupid, hopefully the music makes up for it. Hesitation Marks was a great title, and it ended up being kind of a turd.

    Don’t judge a book by its cover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Hesitation Marks was a great title, and it ended up being kind of a turd.
    Not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    It is pretty stupid, hopefully the music makes up for it. Hesitation Marks was a great title, and it ended up being kind of a turd.

    Don’t judge a book by its cover?
    Sure, if we can get used a band being called Butthole Surfers, we can get used to this. Agreed.

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    I like the title, there's obviously a reason and story behind it and I'm intrigued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaapz View Post
    there's obviously a reason and story behind it and I'm intrigued.
    I dunno. Was there anything to the NTAE and AV titles?... (serious question, I didn’t really follow up after the releases)

    Bad Witch = Trump? Don’t know, don’t really care. The music being good is the most important thing. Great artwork and back stories are just icing on the cake.

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    I don't know, I feel like "Pretty Hate Machine" and "With Teeth" are worse than "Bad Witch".

    But, yeah, I thought I had misread the title.

    Also..."Shit Mirror". REALLY curious about that one...

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    Gonna post this here too: Bad Witch makes me think of the Wizard of Oz (Glinda the Good Witch, the Wicked Witch and whatnot) and another possible link to a story about alternate realities, dream worlds, and the like. Also seems kind of like a very intentional reference to a kind of narrow goth/fairy tale aesthetic, especially with the very decayed, bootleg-seeming cover art (I'm sure someone else with a better knowledge of scene and genre art could help locate some of what it might be associating itself with).

    And yeah, we all want to take a look at/into Shit Mirror and see what's reflected there. "Shit Mirror," as ridiculous as that title is, almost seems like the work of another band or genre ... some kind of metal/black metal (again, I could use some help here) association?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_guyet View Post
    I don't know, I feel like "Pretty Hate Machine" and "With Teeth" are worse than "Bad Witch".

    But, yeah, I thought I had misread the title.

    Also..."Shit Mirror". REALLY curious about that one...
    Gasp- WT is a great name! I kind of agree with PHM, but it’s always kind of been there (and is unique) so it’s hard to judge.

    Bad Witch sounds like a Marilyn Manson song made for some cheesy horror flick.

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    Releasing albums on vinyl only is a total hipster elitist move

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post

    And yeah, we all want to take a look at/into Shit Mirror and see what's reflected there. "Shit Mirror," as ridiculous as that title is, almost seems like the work of another band or genre ... some kind of metal/black metal (again, I could use some help here) association?
    I keep thinking of 80’s hardcore punk when looking at the title “Shit Mirror”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Gasp- WT is a great name! I kind of agree with PHM, but it’s always kind of been there (and is unique) so it’s hard to judge.

    Bad Witch sounds like a Marilyn Manson song made for some cheesy horror flick.
    It's weird...I love the ALBUM WT, but it just feels so silly to TALK about it. Like, saying the title out loud just feels...petulant somehow.

    With PHM, that's a cornerstone of the industrial scene, so its silliness is cancelled out.

    I'm with you as far as "Bad Witch" sounding kind of Manson-y. Actually, I think "bad witch" is what he looks like on the cover of Smells Like Children and what Ozzy has looked like for...25 years?

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    I’d like to see Trent record an incredibly dark cover of “You Spin Me Round.” I think it would be quite incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
    "Bad Witch": worst NIN album/EP title ever in the history of the world.
    At least he didn't call it "Bad Bitch." That's what I had thought the title was when I was scrolling down Facebook when it was announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    I’d like to see Trent record an incredibly dark cover of “You Spin Me Round.” I think it would be quite incredible.
    That’s my toddler-daughter’s favourite song at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    I’d like to see Trent record an incredibly dark cover of “You Spin Me Round.” I think it would be quite incredible.
    With b-side "Sex Dwarf".

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    Time to get controversial ...

    - I think Bad Witch is a great title and this is some Trent's best artwork in years. I'm eagerly anticipating this moreso than anything he's teased in awhile and I'm hoping for some aggressive, noisy and lo-fi sounding stuff ... here's hoping it lives up to my expectations.

    - Year Zero is probably the worst title in NIN's catalog and is also my least favorite record. Trent's vocals became more goofy and a little bit more all over the place during the recording of that record and I think it has some of the worst sounding sonics within his discography. Everything just sounds like stock GarageBand loops to me and it's attempts at telling a larger story just come across as "HURR HURR BUSH IS BAD" to me. Super unpopular opinion, I know ... but even a decade later I can't get into it.

    - Any song featured on And All That Could Have Been that wasn't a major single (The Frail / The Wretched, Reptile, Gave Up, etc.) should be dropped from the set list in favor of other cuts from albums.

    - I think Hesitation Marks is a good album, but it suffers from a little bit of lack of direction. I like the David Bowie and Gorillaz vibe that a lot of the songs have, but tracks like Satellite just kind slow the momentum down. I think it's get a little bit of unfair hate ... same for the Slip.

    - Deep is a damn good song and should be played live more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefragile_jake View Post
    Time to get controversial ...

    - I think Bad Witch is a great title and this is some Trent's best artwork in years. I'm eagerly anticipating this moreso than anything he's teased in awhile and I'm hoping for some aggressive, noisy and lo-fi sounding stuff ... here's hoping it lives up to my expectations.

    - Year Zero is probably the worst title in NIN's catalog and is also my least favorite record. Trent's vocals became more goofy and a little bit more all over the place during the recording of that record and I think it has some of the worst sounding sonics within his discography. Everything just sounds like stock GarageBand loops to me and it's attempts at telling a larger story just come across as "HURR HURR BUSH IS BAD" to me. Super unpopular opinion, I know ... but even a decade later I can't get into it.
    Year Zero really does sound oddly lifeless and rigid rhythmically to me for a guy who has made some of the more organic feeling loop-based music that I've enjoyed. I think it generally takes a lot of work to make electronic music that doesn't sound dead. Though I don't know if the message comes across as that simplistic though even without the ARG; even the lead single took a broader view than attacking Bush. And I do appreciate it as a rare example of a set of NIN lyrics not being entirely in the headspace of one narrator.

    And I also like the Bad Witch title. I like it basically because it's unusually heavy on folklore (or maybe Wizard of Oz) referencing for NIN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pbgut View Post
    Year Zero really does sound oddly lifeless and rigid rhythmically to me for a guy who has made some of the more organic feeling loop-based music that I've enjoyed. I think it generally takes a lot of work to make electronic music that doesn't sound dead. Though I don't know if the message comes across as that simplistic though even without the ARG; even the lead single took a broader view than attacking Bush. And I do appreciate it as a rare example of a set of NIN lyrics not being entirely in the headspace of one narrator.

    And I also like the Bad Witch title. I like it basically because it's unusually heavy on folklore (or maybe Wizard of Oz) referencing for NIN.
    You know what ... I will give it to you in terms of the lyrics on the Survivalism. On my walk this afternoon I was listening to old bootlegs of some of the Nine Inch Nails shows I've seen and that song came on and I forgot how genuinely good the lyrics on that song are. I think what takes me out of it though is hearing Trent's live vocals and how they almost come across like baby talk to me. "IGOTMYVIOLENCE IN HIGHDEFULTRAWEAAAALISM!" "BUT U'D DO DA SAME TING IN DA SURCUMSTANCE IMSUREUDUNDERSTAND!" Yikes.

    In hindsight, the ARG did nothing for me ... which was shocking because it was the same company that had a hand in the coolest ARG I've ever been a part of with the whole viral marketing campaign for The Dark Knight.

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