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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    Lesson learned? NIN music wasn't made in made to be listened to "on-the-go" or whatever. Lighs In The Sky indeed isn't a good "radio" or "headphone in public" song, but a lot of NIN songs aren't, NIN albums were always at their best when they are paid full attention to, preferably at peace at one's home.
    Slightly unrelated - This makes me think of Trent's push for vinyl records as a preferred method of listening to music (not just his), but also makes me think of how ridiculous it is to have a tiny, portable device that you put on your records to play them on-the-go. You aren't SUPPOSED to take your records to the park with you. You aren't SUPPOSED to just bring records to a house party. Would you bring your records on the train for your daily commute? No. Because that's dumb. They're meant to be played on a turntable in an appropriate setting. Going to a party with a record-spinning DJ? Sure. Taking records to a buddy's place to listen together? Rad. But if you want on-the-go, then maybe you should listen to something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheWiseJanitor View Post
    Slightly unrelated - This makes me think of Trent's push for vinyl records as a preferred method of listening to music (not just his), but also makes me think of how ridiculous it is to have a tiny, portable device that you put on your records to play them on-the-go. You aren't SUPPOSED to take your records to the park with you. You aren't SUPPOSED to just bring records to a house party. Would you bring your records on the train for your daily commute? No. Because that's dumb. They're meant to be played on a turntable in an appropriate setting. Going to a party with a record-spinning DJ? Sure. Taking records to a buddy's place to listen together? Rad. But if you want on-the-go, then maybe you should listen to something else.
    I think it's that records weren't meant / made to be played on the go. Today that's not the case, and I believe that's what's wrong with the industry. So many artists are putting out albums with two or three radio friendly singles and then phoning the rest in because people aren't buying the whole album, they're sampling 30 seconds on iTunes and buying (read: renting a license for) the two or three songs with the most little bars next to them. The band sees this and says, "well, if people only give a shit about two or three songs which they're just going to toss on a playlist, we should just make two or three 'good' songs per album", and so on and so forth until every album is 75% filler.
    And, while I will sit down with a record and listen to it as intended, I do run around with 18,000+ songs on my iPhone, but I have excellent, noise-cancelling headphones so I can experience the music as opposed to just using it to pass the time on my commute or block out bible shouting maniacs on the subway.
    When it comes down to it, everything is a personal choice and while I don't really think there's a "right" and "wrong" way to experience music, I do believe there's an "intended" and "unintended" way to experience music.

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    I tend to listen to albums I enjoy more so than just single tracks. If an album has just has 1 or 2 good songs on it, there's a very good chance that even if I love those 1 or 2 songs, I won't be listening to them anywhere near as much compared to an album that is full of songs I love. Silly for people blaming digital music as the reason some people don't buy or listen to albums anymore like kids didn't borrow friends' records to make mixtapes or record songs off the radio back in the day. It's the same shit that's always been happening. It is nothing new. Artists don't have to cater to the half hearted listener.

    I have never chose to listen to the radio ever in my life. So I have never been a singles playlist type of person. I have only listened to the radio if I was in a setting where I'm forced to listen to it, like at work or a waiting room. But on my time, I have never had the need for radio. I'm not into listening to playlists. I don't even have a single playlist on my computer or phone. Whether I'm on the go or at home, I have albums with me. I find the notion that you can't bring an album you love on the go with you and it is not meant to be on the go ridiculous. I got a nice pair of headphones to shut the world out. In my car? My windows are rolled up and the radio is blasting to shut the world out.

    I'm sorry, but I don't need an album to be on a record to make me appreciate it or force me to listen to it in full, I can do that just fine on my own, even if it is on CD or hi-res files. I find the notion that only record is the true medium for folks who really sit back and listen to an album just silly. I've been listening to albums since I was a kid. As the the way I listened to music changed from CD to digital, I still listened to albums. Even on my phone, I have full albums that I can enjoy because I don't want to have to keep switching tracks or create a playlist or click the random button. No, I want an album that I can put on, drive, and listen to from front to back. I don't need a specific medium of music to force me to do that, I can easily put on album from front to back on my own whether I'm at home or in my car. I guess I am not a part of the A.D.D. generation that is easily distracted.

    And if an artist doesn't have the ability to deliver a good album and only a track or 2, then that artist should give up writing albums. You can't write a good album, then I will be giving that artist less of my attention for one that can. I find blaming the section of "listeners" that don't really care about music and just go around buying the popular songs that make them feel a part of the cool club to soundtrack their Instagram day as a reason an artist should be allowed to phone it in absolutely ridiculous. If an artist cannot write a good full album, then stick with the radio crowd. If you are gonna write an album, then put the effort in to make it good all the way through. If it is good, it will be loved and listened to. Stop caring about the half ass listeners and catering to those whi only buy the single or who only pay $10 per month to stream everyone's music. I do not believe the album is dead. Artists just have to make a goddamn good album. As for the rest of us, go out and actually support the artists you love by buying that album or shirt or concert ticket.

    Death to the single.
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    I really like The Hand That Feeds. It was one of the first NIN songs I ever heard (Thanks alot Rock Band) and I honestly can't listen to it much anymore because the fan reaction to it at this point bums me out. I mean, I shouldn't let others dictate my enjoyment of something but it's just something that happens I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nooneimportant View Post
    I really like The Hand That Feeds. It was one of the first NIN songs I ever heard (Thanks alot Rock Band) and I honestly can't listen to it much anymore because the fan reaction to it at this point bums me out. I mean, I shouldn't let others dictate my enjoyment of something but it's just something that happens I guess.
    THTF, Discipline and the like are catchy, straightforward songs that are a pleasure to listen to, even if they are certainly not the greatest among NIN's catalog..

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    Talk of The Slip on here reminded me how much I love Echoplex. I was listening to it today while ironing and some of the lyrics like. ‘You will never ever ever get to me in here’ and my voice just echoes off these walls seem similar to the themes of the EPs

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Talk of The Slip on here reminded me how much I love Echoplex. I was listening to it today while ironing and some of the lyrics like. ‘You will never ever ever get to me in here’ and my voice just echoes off these walls seem similar to the themes of the EPs
    Also Head Down "And this is not my face and this is not my life, and there is not a single thing here I can recognize, this is all a dream and none of you are real".
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Talk of The Slip on here reminded me how much I love Echoplex. I was listening to it today while ironing and some of the lyrics like. ‘You will never ever ever get to me in here’ and my voice just echoes off these walls seem similar to the themes of the EPs

    But... you aren't meant to be doing the ironing while listening to it, you are meant to be staring at the fucking wall, distracted by exactly nothing in a soundproof room.

    Otherwise you aren't enough of a superfan to truly appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWB View Post
    Case in point:

    Almost entire first minute of "And All That Could Have Been"

    The middle section of title track "With_Teeth"

    The middle section of "Various Methods Of Escape"

    The middle section/bridge section of "In Two", its opening also counts.

    Pinion's beginning can be heard very hardly in noisy places.

    Pretty much entirety of "Another Version Of The Truth" especially towards its end.

    A lot of "Find My Way" falls into this.

    As does "While I'm Still Here"

    Any idea how you miss out with "This Isn't The Place" in crowded places? Albeit it gets louder as it goes on.


    "The Way Out Is Through" mostly until its end



    Lesson learned? NIN music wasn't made in made to be listened to "on-the-go" or whatever. Lighs In The Sky indeed isn't a good "radio" or "headphone in public" song, but a lot of NIN songs aren't, NIN albums were always at their best when they are paid full attention to, preferably at peace at one's home.

    Btw, I am not sure if this goes for everyone, but listening to NIN on a phone takes nothing out of the experience, for me personally at least. Intended/unintended or not, doesn't mean you can't have great results even with the means the artist may not have suspected, I assume results vary from person to person. But I find myself enjoying NIN entire albums even in the most crowded of places.

    If song or its section is too quiet, i just bring up the volume.

    I just hope I didn't come off as someone who'd be lecturing people how to listen to music or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nooneimportant View Post
    I really like The Hand That Feeds. It was one of the first NIN songs I ever heard (Thanks alot Rock Band) and I honestly can't listen to it much anymore because the fan reaction to it at this point bums me out. I mean, I shouldn't let others dictate my enjoyment of something but it's just something that happens I guess.
    I can definitely relate to this as it's also affected me on a subconscious and unintentional level when it came to entertainment in general as well. In hindsight, in spite of how important it is to be open-minded to differing opinions, sometimes you just got to see what works or doesn't work for you and you alone.

    It really was no wonder why it lead me to ask questions as to whether or not I liked or followed something just because of the approval and admiration of others, or if I avoided or even just gave up on something just because of the overall rejection and disappointment of others. (It could be a bit of an ego thing for all I know too. I don't mean to speak for others, but that's what I've always felt and thought about it too.)

    Granted, I could see why there would be tons of factors to ruin it too, for whatever reason.

    In hindsight though, it certainly helped me realize that I end up surprising myself in enjoying things I probably would've enjoyed a long time ago, should I had not have been steered by the opinions of others in any way, shape or form, negative or positive. I figured it would also be a very good thing to be mindful of, even beyond the realm of entertainment.

    As for The Hand That Feeds, I still like for what it is as well. Much to my surprise, I have also re-watched the actual music video a lot more than I thought I would.

    @elevenism @Prettybrokenspiral - I just thought of mentioning the both of you, since we were just talking about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by WorzelG View Post
    Talk of The Slip on here reminded me how much I love Echoplex. I was listening to it today while ironing and some of the lyrics like. ‘You will never ever ever get to me in here’ and my voice just echoes off these walls seem similar to the themes of the EPs
    Echoplex is still my most favorite song from The Slip, as it's often, if not always my go-to song on The Slip. Demon Seed has also been getting a lot more plays as of late too.

    Quote Originally Posted by mauro995 View Post
    Also Head Down "And this is not my face and this is not my life, and there is not a single thing here I can recognize, this is all a dream and none of you are real".
    Thank you for reminding me about this as well. That's what also came to mind when I first listened to Not The Actual Events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdm View Post
    For us Amerrkins:

    5:30pm GMT
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    10.30am west

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    Quote Originally Posted by afors View Post
    10.30am west
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    How does a Yankee stream something like this in real time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joplinpicasso View Post
    How does a Yankee stream something like this in real time?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/6music

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    The TuneIn Radio app streams BBC Radio 6 Music pretty well.

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    Has the interview happened already?

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    Man, the comments on that AV Club post are hilarious. A bunch of people complaining about the NTAE PC, several thinking it was a CD package, and all complaining about the black powder.

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    Even Trent is admitting that he was forcing things on Add Violence. That EP is fine, but the only song on it that struck me as having any substantial thought put into it was Less Than. The Lovers, TINTP and Not Anymore all sound like they were banged out over a lunch break.

    I definitely want to hear the 3rd EP, but at this point I’m way more interested in the new film scores they’re working on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Even Trent is admitting that he was forcing things on Add Violence. That EP is fine, but the only song on it that struck me as having any substantial thought put into it was Less Than. The Lovers, TINTP and Not Anymore all sound like they were banged out over a lunch break.

    I definitely want to hear the 3rd EP, but at this point I’m way more interested in the new film scores they’re working on..
    I'm not a native speaker, but that's not how I interpret what he said at all. If I heard it right, he described the situation they found themselves in AFTER they began the production of the third ep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Even Trent is admitting that he was forcing things on Add Violence.
    That's not what he said at all.

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    Is it just me or does it sound like a younger Trent in the pre-chorus of My Violent Heart? It's always been strange to me. He sounds like his current self in that song and through the album but at that exact moment it's like TDS/Fragile Era Trent shows up.

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    Made this playlist on my phone with some of the new songs and some old ones with the Year Zero and life-inside-a-dream- theme and it works great for me. All the tracks even segue each other great without the need of crossfades. Hope you like it.

    1- Burning Bright (Field on Fire)
    2- The Lovers
    3- Less Than
    4- Not Anymore
    5- Me I'm Not
    6- Dear World,
    7- The Warning
    8- Head Down
    9- The Idea of You
    10- Another Version of the Truth
    11- This Isn't The Place
    12- The Line Begins To Blur
    13- Beside You In Time
    14- Right Where It Belongs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauro995 View Post
    Made this playlist on my phone with some of the new songs and some old ones with the Year Zero and life-inside-a-dream- theme and it works great for me. All the tracks even segue each other great without the need of crossfades. Hope you like it.

    1- Burning Bright (Field on Fire)
    2- The Lovers
    3- Less Than
    4- Not Anymore
    5- Me I'm Not
    6- Dear World,
    7- The Warning
    8- Head Down
    9- The Idea of You
    10- Another Version of the Truth
    11- This Isn't The Place
    12- The Line Begins To Blur
    13- Beside You In Time
    14- Right Where It Belongs
    Definitely going to assemble this playlist myself and give it a listen. I'm constantly amused or intrigued by the way different songs segue when I have my library playing on shuffle.

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    The end of June means the end of Soon for the new EP


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadaloo View Post
    The end of June means the end of Soon for the new EP

    “Third ep” is the new “soon”.

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    Just curious, but what is everyone's favorite use of the "swarm guitar" effect that has been used in various tracks in recent years?

    For those unfamiliar, it's this sound:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRoswell View Post
    Just curious, but what is everyone's favorite use of the "swarm guitar" effect that has been used in various tracks in recent years?

    For those unfamiliar, it's this sound:
    I definitely know the sound, but what album tracks use it? I know it appears a lot on the scores.

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    I've revisited NTAE and AV, and I like them both a whole hell of a lot more now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_discord View Post
    I definitely know the sound, but what album tracks use it? I know it appears a lot on the scores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witte View Post
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    it's also in a few places on ghosts and the fragile

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