Random NIN Thoughts

[fillow]

Tr has gone on record saying nin circa Fragility era, as good as it was,wasn't really as good as it can be and it's painful for him to revisit those performances past sobering up. They probably had to cut a lot of drunk antics and fuckups that one can witness on BDO/Japan/Euro Fests footage.

[niggo]

when you play to a click track every night and have all the instruments individually mic'd, it's a lot easier to manage. and i can understand why...it's like comping any performance (i.e. i recorded drums for a friend's song yesterday, did five passes total, and used little bits from each take to get the best possible performance in each section), and trent was really being a perfectionist when editing that project.

Sure thing, I get that. Naturally that's totally fine when you're doing that in the studio. But doing that with a live show is where perfectionism goes too far, if you ask me. I don't know, maybe I would do the same, but as a listener and fan I believe that a live show should be at least one complete performance per song. I don't mind different video and audio sources, but a song in itself should be "real". But maybe that's just me.

[botley]

^ I think they were really unsure whether it would actually work, and eventually sought outside help during post-production to ensure it was actually watchable.

I think steady-cam edits of Gave Up, La Mer, TGB and The Mark... videos are probably from the same show (Gorge Amphitheatre?). They seem pretty seamless.
I also suspect that all of Reptile came from the same show since they played that song only 5 times on that tour.

Yes, it's possible that the "Reptile" performance audio is from a single show (which would also be used for the finale of "March of the Pigs", since you can hear the "Reptile" intro begin as it ends). Possibly other songs too. But they recorded lots of shows with the specific intent to freely mix and match multiple performance elements in order to make it as strong as possible. Even the single-view camera angle has a visible cut, from being outdoors (at the Gorge) to an indoor show for the "quiet" songs, and the audio doesn't sync up with what you see the performers doing.

Tr has gone on record saying nin circa Fragility era, as good as it was,wasn't really as good as it can be and it's painful for him to revisit those performances past sobering up. They probably had to cut a lot of drunk antics and fuckups that one can witness on BDO/Japan/Euro Fests footage.

There weren't any embarrassing antics on the Canadian Fragility shows that I saw. But it's understood from what TR said in the Telegraph interview that he was on a rollercoaster of alcohol withdrawal and relapse until he sobered up, which was almost a year after the tour ended, also significantly delaying the post-production of And All That Could Have Been.

[implanted_microchip]

When he was such a perfectionist he should have made sure everyone was wearing the same clothes on the nights it was taped. When watching the DVD I found it very irritating to have the band change outfits mid-song again and again.

Best part of this is the video of young Rob going "The best feeling is when I show this to somebody and they ask 'Where did you film this?' because they don't realize it's more than one show!"

[BenAkenobi]

Best part of this is the video of young Rob going "The best feeling is when I show this to somebody and they ask 'Where did you film this?' because they don't realize it's more than one show!"

Do you have a link to said video?

[sick among the pure]

When he was such a perfectionist he should have made sure everyone was wearing the same clothes on the nights it was taped. When watching the DVD I found it very irritating to have the band change outfits mid-song again and again.

I personally enjoy Robin's hair and makeup changes.

[Papagolash]

I think steady-cam edits of Gave Up, La Mer, TGB and The Mark... videos are probably from the same show (Gorge Amphitheatre?). They seem pretty seamless.
I also suspect that all of Reptile came from the same show since they played that song only 5 times on that tour.

The video of Reptile was from 2 shows definitely. There's a few times where you can see the difference of Trent with and without the black makup on his arms/chest/neck. And the most notable change is when the camera cuts from Trent looking to his left to him looking to his right , at 1:15 below. I do agree with you that the audio is from one show, the majority of the footage is from the less makeup show.

[billpulsipher]

notice on Trents twitter he deleted his entire tweet history...its listed as him having 9 tweets...for a guy who doesnt care about social media, seems like he went out of his way to delete his entire posting history.

[BRoswell]

Yeah, we all noticed that...when it originally happened...a long time ago.

[heavenly_bearded]

Yeah, we all noticed that...when it originally happened...a long time ago.

It was all there yesterday when I checked. Hopefully a sign of something coming "soon". I still want to hope that something might happen tomorrow.

[BRoswell]

It was all there yesterday when I checked.

He hasn't deleted anything recently as far as I'm aware. Billy Boy just seems to think we should be up in arms about something Trent did over a year ago.

[billpulsipher]

Yeah, we all noticed that...when it originally happened...a long time ago.

I havent looked at his twitter in 6 months..i should have known you probably have it bookmarked as your homepage....after all you are Trents number 1 fanboy

[BRoswell]

I havent looked at his twitter in 6 months

Six months ago was still LONG after he did it, so why bring it up now? Next you'll be complaining about some random photo taken during the With Teeth tour. "Ugh. I hate Trent's pose in this picture. He's such an asshole. Why did he leave me at the prom?"

[billpulsipher]

I dont give a shit that he deleted his entire tweet history. Its just odd that he would take the time out of his day to delete 7 years of tweets...why bother..unless he is embarrassed by all his tirades from 2009

[ninlive]

Why did Kraftwerk go out and delete all of their tweets? It is what it is. Not like he had that many to begin with. and not like I know how many there were. (349)

[Bachy]

I wish Trent had done a Still version of "We're in this Together." I think it really would be wonderful to hear a softer more simplistic version of the song similar to "The Day the World Went Away."

[billpulsipher]

Why did Kraftwerk go out and delete all of their tweets? It is what it is. Not like he had that many to begin with. and not like I know how many there were. (349)

I was looking for the Reznor tweet from 2009 when he called andreaurbanfox and some escort girl a "uniformed cunt. a prostitute and a pig"..i wanted to make a fb status out of it

[WorzelG]

I was looking for the Reznor tweet from 2009 when he called andreaurbanfox and some escort girl a "uniformed cunt. a prostitute and a pig"..i wanted to make a fb status out of it

Maybe now he's a member of the Academy and a rep of Apple Music he's decided such tweets are unbecoming, ha ha. Maybe it was easier to have a fresh start than go back and delete individually

[buckaroo]

Even though The Day The World Went Away isn't one of my favorite nin songs I could listen to that drone before the guitar kicks in on a loop for hours. Also, the live version from And All That Could Have Been is one of their best live moments in my opinion. I wouldn't expect it to work so well, especially as an encore, but it just sounds amazing. Especially the extended "jam" at the end.

[wizfan]

Relistening to Hesitation Marks today. It sounds like a very different album like it used to sound when I would blast it 100+ times between 2013 and 2014. I like that it doesn't sound stale at all to me. It has retained its freshness, somehow.

[implanted_microchip]

Relistening to Hesitation Marks today. It sounds like a very different album like it used to sound when I would blast it 100+ times between 2013 and 2014. I like that it doesn't sound stale at all to me. It has retained its freshness, somehow.

Just last night I put the vinyl on for the first time in a long time and I was really struck by how much I think it's held up, overall. I really can't name a single song that I don't like on it and find the whole thing flows very, very well.

I was also very stunned to see how much more I now love Find My Way. I really just think it wasn't a song quite made for live venues and after seeing it 3 times at 3 shows that stuck with me, whereas, in studio, on album, focused and not surrounded by chattering half-drunk people waiting for Wish to play, it's really something else. Amazing how we can forget those things sometimes.

I also think even more now about @elevenism 's amazing point of Disappointed fitting really, really well as criticism of people who expected Obama to change the world and it goes hand in hand with comments Trent made in 2013. I don't think that's the entire focus at all, but could certainly see it clicking in, especially with Satellite being on the album.

And I finally realized why I love Running -- it's basically his attempt at writing a song that could've been on Talking Heads' Speaking in Tongues.

[wizfan]

Just last night I put the vinyl on for the first time in a long time and I was really struck by how much I think it's held up, overall. I really can't name a single song that I don't like on it and find the whole thing flows very, very well. I was also very stunned to see how much more I now love Find My Way. I really just think it wasn't a song quite made for live venues and after seeing it 3 times at 3 shows that stuck with me, whereas, in studio, on album, focused and not surrounded by chattering half-drunk people waiting for Wish to play, it's really something else. Amazing how we can forget those things sometimes. I also think even more now about @elevenism 's amazing point of Disappointed fitting really, really well as criticism of people who expected Obama to change the world and it goes hand in hand with comments Trent made in 2013. I don't think that's the entire focus at all, but could certainly see it clicking in, especially with Satellite being on the album. And I finally realized why I love Running -- it's basically his attempt at writing a song that could've been on Talking Heads' Speaking in Tongues.

I'm listening to the vinyl version too! Well, a vinyl rip, but... still. I prefer its mastering to the standard and "audiophile" digital releases. Analog synths need an analog release! And, holy shit, you're right. Running is totally a "Talking Heads gone wrong" thing. I say that as a compliment, as Trent has always liked twisting his musical influences into dark and/or insane shit, just like While I'm Still Here pays a somber, subdued and minimalistic tribute to Hank Williams, Sr. I love it that, three years down the line, we keep talking about HM. Love it or hate it, it still gave us plenty of room for discussion.

[BRoswell]

And I finally realized why I love Running -- it's basically his attempt at writing a song that could've been on Talking Heads' Speaking in Tongues.

Hmm, interesting. I never thought of it that way. I'm going to have to listen to it again with that in mind.

[implanted_microchip]

@wizfan @BRoswell I think I really noticed it because I've been watching/listening to Stop Making Sense quite a lot lately and, in general, the highly-percussive, manic freak-out rampancy of that performance and so much material from Speaking in Tongues seemed to fit right in with Running, all the way down to Trent's crazy, repetitive, fast and breathy vocals that a lot of people dislike but I've always felt worked for me for whatever reason.

If he covered something like Pull Up the Roots, I'd really expect it to be of a similar nature. Hesitation Marks seemed to have way more of him letting himself play around with his inspirations -- the opening drum machine on Everything is shot-for-shot Depeche Mode's New Life, and the song itself is totally New Wave Cure/New Order/Joy Division, Running is very Byrne-influenced -- I'd really love to see people try and spot what other songs might be under the influence of, because it felt to me like that whole time period was him being more open than ever to letting his inspirations have a bit more sway on his styles (only to then be shit on for it, of course, as is tradition).

[m15a]

Maybe now he's a member of the Academy and a rep of Apple Music he's decided such tweets are unbecoming, ha ha. Maybe it was easier to have a fresh start than go back and delete individually

I struck out this tweet.
It's shaming me.
I'm unbecoming.

[r_z]

I'd really love to see people try and spot what other songs might be under the influence of

"Copy Of A" always felt like it was heavily inspired by Factory Floor's debut on DFA Records, "Two Different Ways" especially.

[EndlessLoveless]

Man i killed some MAJOR time this weekend when i stumbled into the Hotline's archives of old reviews and interviews. Before i knew it hours had passed and my phone was about to die. I love going back and re-reading all of that every few years. My wife and kid werent as into it as i was though. Thank you leviathant for all of your work! You are a fucking legend.

[Bachy]

JMJ was a solid bassist, but I won't lie and say that I wasn't a little bit relieved when he finally ditched the fro.

[sentient]

Hearing the percussive opening to Walking On Sunshine by Katrina And The Waves makes me think of March Of The Pigs...every time.

[elevenism]

Has it ever occured to you guys that as rabid NIN fans, nearly all of us have some sort of darkness about us, or have been through some awful existential crisis, or addiction, or SOMETHING?
I mean, unless you ignore the lyrics.

We are all such nice people, but this music that brings us together is very dark, lyrically.