I really don't get how it makes sense for NIN fans to always be acting like the music industry of 1992 is somehow the same as 2016. Just because Trent Reznor had miserable times with TVT in 1992 does not mean that somehow Apple with a streaming service is just as horrible 24 years later. Digital content, streaming, downloads, viability of independent releases, vinyl resurgence, a decaying market for CDs, less focus on monetizing sales and more on promoting merchandise and tours -- it's so wildly different in general that it just sounds a lot like people "sounding" clever and smart -- "hey, hey, he's working for a totally different corporation after having bad times with totally different corporations, what a sell-out, eh?" than actually "being" clever and smart.
How about he just continue to make music? Why does he give two fucks about streaming services? I don't see Mike Patton or Robert Smith or Dave Gahan or Eddie Vedder or Dave Grohl or any other musician getting involved in this nonsense. Who gives a shit if some teenybopper girl uses spotify or apple to stream the new Drake album? Most hardcore motherfuckers still buy their music in physical formats (cds/vinyl). Shit even Trent said he mostly buys vinyl these days....I never understood why he chose to take on this MASSIVE project which in the longrun is just taking him away from making music. It can't possibly be satisfying to him on a creative level having to deal with this corporate shit. a big fucking waste of time
Last edited by billpulsipher; 07-11-2016 at 03:49 PM.
^^^sometimes I wonder if there's some aspect to this I don't get or am not privy to. He's not been able to come up with a working NIN website that's lasted that long, or a NIN store that hasn't had some fuckups for quite a limited amount of produce. So why does Trent, or more importantly Apple think he's the guy to solve their insanely complicated UI ?????? Especially when it has to be combined with iTunes. I'll eat my words if the new version of apple music turns out to be great but i'm not holding my breath
Last edited by WorzelG; 07-11-2016 at 04:16 PM.
I think he's more here for the UX rather than the UI. Sure they both overlap a bit, but there's a difference, and when it comes to Reznor the nuance would make sense.
It's not like Reznor was the web developer, or the community manager on any of those sites anyway, so I'm not sure why one would blame him for this. He's here to tell them how users want/should experience their program I believe, which hasn't anything to do with designing, proper. At best he'll draw a rough or two to drive his point across.
Last edited by Khrz; 07-11-2016 at 04:22 PM.
It's almost as if Trent Reznor is a human being capable of different choices than other people and broad interests.
The guy has always shown interest in other ends of the music industry and has experimented with distribution for a while. He had his own vanity label and tried hard to make it into something. He experimented a ton with giving content away and fair-use copyright. He played around with fostering a remix community. Now he's interested in trying and seeing if he can make streaming something viable as an artist considering it's been moving in that direction regardless for a while now anyway, like it or not. I only think it's out of character for him if you have a very strict interpretation of how he's operated.
I'm sure if it wasn't satisfying that he could've walked away on many, many occasions. Instead he made a fuckton from the sale and has been continuously involved ever since. It's "a big fucking waste of time" if you're a fan who only wants new NIN music, but clearly, for him as a person who is a professional artist with an inclination to business skill, it's not, otherwise he wouldn't still be doing it.
Trust me, I wish all he'd do all the time is tour like a motherfucker and put on giant shows and release Tetsuo/Driver Down style albums with big booming vocals and do acoustic tours and do all-electronic tours and do really loud and heavy tours and do orchestral tours and just tour tour tour tour tour because no other band live comes close to NIN for me, and while we're fantasizing let's make all the tickets dirt-cheap, too, but I don't expect the guy to only be a slave to one thing if he doesn't want to do it just because it's what I would prefer.
You just seem so utterly convinced your set of priorities for Trent should be his set and that's just fucking stupid, honestly. The guy could flat-out retire from ever making music again and while I'd be extremely disappointed it's not like he wouldn't have a right to do so. And, hell, Grohl had that whole passion project of documenting that recording studio and restoring the mixing console and all that. It's not like these people don't have their own pet projects. Trent's just happens to make him millions of dollars and gets him a gig with one of the largest and most influential companies on Earth.
I don't really have a hard time believing that you might be so one-dimensional Bill, but most humans have interests and curiosities a bit more complex than being "music guy", for instance. Creativity isn't restricted to art.
And damn, what he makes with Apple might actually be right up his alley, creatively speaking. Coming up with engineering solutions, improving user experience, tinkering with new business models, coming up with new and exciting concepts, having back-and-forths with like-minded people on a common project ? If you look at his past interests, that checks out 100% with the guy. You're free to find that utterly boring, but I can totally see why he would enjoy being involved in this.
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Last edited by Your Name Here; 07-25-2016 at 01:32 PM.
I bet if you got Trent alone in a room and asked him if this is taking up more of his time and turning into more of a hassle than he initially thought, he would say yes it has....No doubt in my mind...I think when he initially started with this, he had zero clue at how much it would entail.
Same for being a parent, doesn't mean he regrets having kids. Hell, even making music is a fucking chore half of the time. I don't know what job you have, but I want it, it seems like it's an exhilarating and rewarding activity, every fucking second of it.
You seem to know so much more about Trent's life and career than even he does. You should really send him some of your infinite wisdom sometime.
Remember back when Apple bought them? Yeah I'm sure he could've left at some point then after working for a while. Or when they decided to revamp things. I'm almost certain he's had plenty of chances to stop. He keeps doing it. It's as if he finds it to be a worthwhile use of his time and something different and exciting from the standard process of recording NIN material. Gee, who'd ever think someone might want to, after nearly thirty years, do some things a little out of the ordinary?
Simply put bill everyone knows how you feel on this, you've said it over and over again any chance you get and you're flat-out not adding jack shit to anything remotely resembling a discussion of any sort. It's ridiculous, dude. Find something new to whine about. I remember you used to at least go out on some insane limbs to bitch. What happened? You're losing your edge, man. You're in a posting phase that's akin to what you described Tension as!
It hasn't even been 3 years since Hesitation Marks. In the time since the album, we got the Gone Girl soundtrack, a few b-sides from Gone Girl, The Fragile instrumentals, With Teeth instrumentals, and Juno. Am I missing anything?
That's a lot of material in the past 35 months. I'm sure we can all wait a few more months for more music.
Was there this much silence prior to the surprise Hesitation Marks announcement?
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IIRC, no. There was HTDA news (An Omen EP and album announcement), then there was a Reddit IAMA, Welcome Oblivion, HTDA tour news, then NIN tour announcement (mentioning new band with Belew and Avery), then the awkward Robin Finck return and only after that TR confessed that new NIN record is in fact already finished in secrecy.
I miss the late 2000s when Trent was so communicative online, even if it was to call certain people out on cuntiness quotient. It's that sort of fan interaction which can generate things like the Meathead Perspective.
It's so far the other way now that Trent's the musical equivalent of Valve. Operational transparency at a bare minimum, even about things the fans have been anticipating for the best part of a decade.
At this point, even a little teasing would be appreciated. I'm pretty sure if Trent posted "." on NIN's FB page or at NIN.com, not only it would get a separate thread, but it would be simultaneously discussed in others as well at great length.
My first thought when he tweeted in late December was that he had just bought himself another 12 months to finalize whatever he was doing.
For all we know, we could release an album the same way Radiohead did, with little warning. This could happen in November and he would be faithful to his words.
The way he decides to release new NIN material is his prerogative.
We'll see but the fact that we haven't had any new announcements with regard to new NIN music doesn't bother me at all. Maybe I'll change my tune if we're at the exact same spot comes October/November.
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I don't think that covers commercial use though.
Edit : it doesn't, predictably.
The Slip was released under a Creative Commons attribution-noncommercial share-alike license, in effect allowing anyone to use or rework the material for any non-profit purpose, as long as credit is provided and the resulting work is released under a similar license.
Last edited by Khrz; 07-12-2016 at 01:50 PM.
Not sure about CBH, but I do feel special for getting the Deep video's intentions of being a loving tribute to schlock cinema, especially Evil Dead and The War Of the Gargantuas, that doesn't even try to be serious or, uh, not shallow. It's a cool, stupid 4-minute action flick and with respect to TR, the perfect match for the song (which I happen to like, too).
TPD: I always thought it would have been a beautiful photoshoot, but the video itself is eh.... dunno. Take a shot every time Trent has to lean forward (while trying to still look cool and sing) to keep his whole body in the frame. It's like they had to work with the wrong lens or a green screen a size too small. Really funny once you notice it.