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    I think that there is a difference between fans sharing pirated material and seeing it appear on YouTube.

    Fans put it there and break copyright laws. But they do it out of enthusiasm mostly. YouTube (=Google) on the other hand has the tools to detect pirated material and take it down. But they don't do it. They broadcast it and earn money with it via ads.

    So I can understand artists that feel angry when a big company like Google is making profits from their art while they don't get anything. And if Trent wants to build a fairerer business model he has to fight this injustice. I have no problem with that.

    A website like YouTube is still a good thing. Bit there are ways to improve it so that it becomes fairer for all sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwarzerAbt View Post
    I think that there is a difference between fans sharing pirated material and seeing it appear on YouTube.

    Fans put it there and break copyright laws. But they do it out of enthusiasm mostly. YouTube (=Google) on the other hand has the tools to detect pirated material and take it down. But they don't do it. They broadcast it and earn money with it via ads.

    So I can understand artists that feel angry when a big company like Google is making profits from their art while they don't get anything. And if Trent wants to build a fairerer business model he has to fight this injustice. I have no problem with that.
    I wonder how Trent would feel if YouTube banned all NIN related videos and material, even the material Trent uploaded himself.

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    Sooooo, "What if Google missed the point entirely" then ?

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    Not a real spotting, but anyway:

    The interviewer (who interviewed Trent a few years ago I believe) says that Trent was addicted to Quake for a long time. @2:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVBDixfYuLk

    Edit: Shit, wrong thread. Sorry!
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    dont know why Trent is so anti google..where else can you find such great clips like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOc-5FxA3g

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    Caught myself 'singing' the thwok-thwok song from Quake in the kitchen today (you know, Track 6, Life). There might be a parallel universe out there in which it was a #1 pop single.

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    Edit: So, uh, I saw the other thread also had posts about the YouTube thing with some links. So what I posted before is partly irrelevant. But I still want to see some artists with pro-YouTube opinions on the matter. I still don't understand what preventing unlicensed videos from being posted has to do with what the artist chooses to upload themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by reznovka View Post
    It's not an artists POV Trent's speaking from it the POV of an business man and that's sad.
    What is the artists' POV then? Like, can you reference some quotes where other artists talk about why they do or don't like YouTube's policies? Maybe I missed it since I don't visit the board every day right now, but I haven't seen much actual citation of different the perspective of artists other than Trent on here. If Trent's perspective is so anti-artist while also jumping on the bandwagon of artists that are critical of YouTube, don't you think it seems appropriate to discuss those perspectives expressed from actual sources instead of just speculation?

    That said, I don't personally care very much about this topic in itself. I just want to understand the context of what you all are talking about.
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    if Trent's conflict with DMCA and artist's rights in general doesn't inspire emotionally charged, aggressive new music, I don't know what will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m15a View Post
    Edit: So, uh, I saw the other thread also had posts about the YouTube thing with some links. So what I posted before is partly irrelevant. But I still want to see some artists with pro-YouTube opinions on the matter. I still don't understand what preventing unlicensed videos from being posted has to do with what the artist chooses to upload themselves.



    What is the artists' POV then? Like, can you reference some quotes where other artists talk about why they do or don't like YouTube's policies? Maybe I missed it since I don't visit the board every day right now, but I haven't seen much actual citation of different the perspective of artists other than Trent on here. If Trent's perspective is so anti-artist while also jumping on the bandwagon of artists that are critical of YouTube, don't you think it seems appropriate to discuss those perspectives expressed from actual sources instead of just speculation?

    That said, I don't personally care very much about this topic in itself. I just want to understand the context of what you all are talking about.
    Here is the POV that Trent and Co. are failing to perceive/account for.

    1) Most artists generally want to get their art in front of as many people as possible.

    2.) Fans want access to a wide variety of music/video without having to spend a ton of money buying everything they every listen or watch once.

    3.) YouTube provided a solution to (1) and (2) that neither the recording industry, nor Apple, or anyone else was able to come up with.

    Now, the solution in (3) was built (to some extent) on the use of copyrighted material; however, I think the unmet needs of (1) and (2) drastically outweigh any "harm" done to the wealthy 0.01% of artists who may have lost some revenue because of it.

    begin rant/
    I'm sure Trent is convinced that the only reason Hesitation Marks bombed commercially was because all of the people who loved it were secretly pressing replay on YouTube 24-7 instead of buying it, but the reality is that it was probably the worst album he has ever made (by a lot) and he's just not as popular as he used to be (not even close). But I'm sure it's much easier for him to blame YouTube instead of coming to grips with his own decline as a "rock star."
    /rant
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    Reznor's implication with the project Daisy precedes HM, sooo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khrz View Post
    Reznor's implication with the project Daisy precedes HM, sooo...
    I'm not following (and I know what Daisy was). So what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurtinMinorKey View Post
    Here is the POV that Trent and Co. are failing to perceive/account for.

    1) Most artists generally want to get their art in front of as many people as possible.

    2.) Fans want access to a wide variety of music/video without having to spend a ton of money buying everything they every listen or watch once.

    3.) YouTube provided a solution to (1) and (2) that neither the recording industry, nor Apple, or anyone else was able to come up with.

    Now, the solution in (3) was built (to some extent) on the use of copyrighted material; however, I think the unmet needs of (1) and (2) drastically outweigh any "harm" done to the wealthy 0.01% of artists who may have lost some revenue because of it.
    #1 isn't completely true. I've heard a lot of comments from artists that were pretty unhappy to find their music places where they didn't put it. And I'm not talking about just the "wealthy 0.01%" - people I personally know in the very non-commercial world of experimental computer music. They find their stuff on some crappy MP3 ringtone website and they're pretty unhappy about it. They find out their music was put on a compilation CD without their permission and they're pretty unhappy about it. These are real things I've heard people talk about. As far as more commercial artists, there are plenty of stories of bands that were annoyed that their music was used by some politician or whatever. Some are very reluctant to have their music in TV ads. Even though all these things increase the number of people that hear their music. Even I've been annoyed with how it has been presented in concerts to the extent that I wish it wasn't used, and barely anyone listens to what I make.

    Most artists do want as their art in front of as many people as possible *if* they are choosing how it is presented. Sites like YouTube, Soundcloud, Vimeo, etc. do provide that while still satisfying point #2. The artist can upload their own stuff for free, YouTube still makes money of those uploads, and I don't think anyone is protesting that process. Maybe sites like YouTube can't exist without the posting of unlicensed material, so the trade off has to be considered (considered *by the artists* - fans don't get a say because they're not contributing anything to this unless the artists do happen to appreciate the exposure, in which case the artist can put a value to that exposure).

    But if, like you said, only the "wealthy" 0.01% are losing revenue and all other artists are helped by the exposure, then it should be easy to find artists from the other 99.99% that have come out to speak against this open letter (and that's not the same as saying they value YouTube). I want to see what those artists are saying about their point of view and experiences and why they think the other point of view is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HurtinMinorKey View Post
    Here is the POV that Trent and Co. are failing to perceive/account for.

    1) Most artists generally want to get their art in front of as many people as possible.

    2.) Fans want access to a wide variety of music/video without having to spend a ton of money buying everything they every listen or watch once.

    3.) YouTube provided a solution to (1) and (2) that neither the recording industry, nor Apple, or anyone else was able to come up with.

    Now, the solution in (3) was built (to some extent) on the use of copyrighted material; however, I think the unmet needs of (1) and (2) drastically outweigh any "harm" done to the wealthy 0.01% of artists who may have lost some revenue because of it.

    begin rant/
    I'm sure Trent is convinced that the only reason Hesitation Marks bombed commercially was because all of the people who loved it were secretly pressing replay on YouTube 24-7 instead of buying it, but the reality is that it was probably the worst album he has ever made (by a lot) and he's just not as popular as he used to be (not even close). But I'm sure it's much easier for him to blame YouTube instead of coming to grips with his own decline as a "rock star."
    /rant
    true though Trent wanting to make more money out of his older releases is probably also part of it.

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    So today, of all days, I'd be really really frickin' grateful for a surprise NIN release. (from England)

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    I'd be pleased if David Fincher and Rooney Mara were involved in the next video.

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    I hope Aaron is still okay.

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    Trent's vocal adlibs during performances are the best, especially when he uses the echo effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooneimportant View Post
    Trent's vocal adlibs during performances are the best, especially when he uses the echo effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooneimportant View Post
    Trent's vocal adlibs during performances are the best, especially when he uses the echo effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertigo View Post
    Caught myself 'singing' the thwok-thwok song from Quake in the kitchen today (you know, Track 6, Life). There might be a parallel universe out there in which it was a #1 pop single.
    A thwok-thwok reminds me of something Dr Seuss would create...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Dont drag me into this.
    Have I mentioned how much I love your short ass lately?

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    I have a sneaking suspicion that Trent won't think of releasing anything until all this Youtube/royalties thing is worked out.

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    I'm just watching through the Beside You In Time blu ray and it's laughable how the vocals you hear don't match the video on The Line Begins To Blur. I've never noticed it before
    Last edited by GibbonBlack; 06-28-2016 at 12:39 PM. Reason: I forgot to add the song title

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    Eat your heart out, Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachy View Post
    Eat your heart out, Steve.
    "fuck you, steve"



    man, there are a lot of hilarious word combinations in that screenshot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversonpoe View Post
    "fuck you, steve"



    man, there are a lot of hilarious word combinations in that screenshot.
    I'm a fan of Pissambience.

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    DO Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN TRENT TWITTED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE NINE INCH NAILS IN 2016 (+other stuff)???? LIKE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NEW MUSIC/TOUR/T-SHIRTS??? WHAT THE FUCK TRENT U CAN'T PLAY WITH MY HEART LIKE THAT </3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    DO Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN TRENT TWITTED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE NINE INCH NAILS IN 2016 (+other stuff)???? LIKE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NEW MUSIC/TOUR/T-SHIRTS??? WHAT THE FUCK TRENT U CAN'T PLAY WITH MY HEART LIKE THAT </3
    "But then again, that might have been a dream."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    DO Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN TRENT TWITTED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE NINE INCH NAILS IN 2016 (+other stuff)???? LIKE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NEW MUSIC/TOUR/T-SHIRTS??? WHAT THE FUCK TRENT U CAN'T PLAY WITH MY HEART LIKE THAT </3
    [whispered] I wish I could turn back time, impossible as it may seem. But I wish I could so bad. Quit playing games with my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    DO Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN TRENT TWITTED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE NINE INCH NAILS IN 2016 (+other stuff)???? LIKE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NEW MUSIC/TOUR/T-SHIRTS??? WHAT THE FUCK TRENT U CAN'T PLAY WITH MY HEART LIKE THAT </3
    It's only June 2016. If we don't get any peep by Thanksgiving or Christmas then we can worry.

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