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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathant View Post
    They're more than doodles - they're turned into posters that they sell on tour, or for $20-$35 each on the website. In other words, you pay more for shitty doodle posters than you pay for a Tool album, if you buy those shitty doodle posters. Calling them "nothing more nothing less" is being disingenuous.

    Also, don't be so quick to call Cam de Leon a douche. "Tool have buried the hatchet with him and that case is long over."

    In fact, an article from 2007 has the details of Cam's lawsuit:
    I'm 100% with you regarding the doodles- it's art work that involves the band and made by the guitarist. Fans will eat the stuff up and I get that. My point was I highly doubt Adam spends a whole lot of time with it, or that it interferes much with their writing process or tour rehearsals.

    I actually called Chet Zar a douche. :P Unintentionally- gerbil posted that it was Chet which threw me off and he corrected himself, I didn't even know about this Cam guy or the lawsuit until today.

    Regardless of what it is or who it involves I think this caught peoples attention since it came from some of the band members themselves- and we know how hush-hush Tool likes to be about virtually everything. It's actually nice to hear that there's progress on the album, and I'm digging them going for a "heavier" sound.

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    Maybe they should release just EP's, they should be easier to record and market

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    How are they going to release ep's when they have only "almost completed" one song in eight years? Same problem, different output format.

    I just wish they'd be honest (maybe even with themselves) and say whatever the real thing is. Maybe it's 'we're just not that into it' or 'we're just not that into each other' or 'we have writers block' or 'we did too many drugs.' Hell, even, 'sorry, but we're lazy' would at least feel more honest. I guess this is the root of my problem with the Tool camp at this point: everything feels so disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magtig View Post
    A band that was focused on, and had a passion for, the actual music would be writing and completing it despite the bullshit going on around them.
    I can completely understand where you're coming from here, but creativity works differently for everybody. If you're busy all the time with other stuff, and you're being drained by something attached to your creativity that you can find depressing, it can be hard to keep momentum going. Additionally, it can be really dispiriting if you really try to still maintain that creative energy and produce something, only to have it turn out underwhelming.

    I say this from my own perspective, where lately I'm trying to motivate myself to get back in the flow of making new music and it's very hard. I've just been overwhelmed with other stuff lately. It gets to the point where the idea of even sketching out ideas feels like work, and that's a sign that it's not going to be something good.

    It's got to be another thing when you're already very "comfortable." Every member of Tool can retire and live in luxury, making wine and floating around in the pool, and really never have another worry. I agree that the excuse sounds a little weak, but it's probably that and a little of the above weighing in on it too, which is stuff that isn't good PR to talk about in an interview.

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    I think Danny Carey needs to stop talking about the new album. As far back as late 2011 he's been giving out time tables and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. We hope to have the album recorded and released by the end of 2012, 2013, and now 2014? I think the other band members need to have a sit down with their drummer and forbid him from talking about the new album or giving estimations to its eventual release.

    As for the recent article, all of it might be true. The band has to focus on the lawsuit and wants to put the issue behind them. As a result it's drained their collective creative energy and focus on the new album has suffered because of it. It all could be true, but it feels like another excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrselfdestruct94 View Post
    I think Danny Carey needs to stop talking about the new album. As far back as late 2011 he's been giving out time tables and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. We hope to have the album recorded and released by the end of 2012, 2013, and now 2014? I think the other band members need to have a sit down with their drummer and forbid him from talking about the new album or giving estimations to its eventual release.

    As for the recent article, all of it might be true. The band has to focus on the lawsuit and wants to put the issue behind them. As a result it's drained their collective creative energy and focus on the new album has suffered because of it. It all could be true, but it feels like another excuse.
    I'm fucking sick of this "drained creative energy" nonsense. a good 99% of us have to work day jobs before we even get to try having creative energy. you think a lawsuit drains your energy? try BEING AN ACTUAL FUCKING LAWYER (says the lawyer). And yet I muster up the creative energy when I can. Sure, I'm not fucking Tool, but then again I'm not a fucking millionaire who doesn't have to work a day job?

    jesus, what a pathetic excuse for these guys

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    Fuck off, getting sued and doing your job are two entirely different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmya View Post
    Fuck off, getting sued and doing your job are two entirely different things.
    true, but I also happen to know exactly what is involved in getting sued. HINT: not much for 99.9% of the time

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    So I just actually read the article.
    The way they describe their new songs... Did they literally say that, or handed it off to a pitchfork writer? "Not out-of-the-gate crazy heavy, but there are these little journeys with nice paths that end up very heavy" - the fuck is that supposed to mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillow View Post
    So I just actually read the article.
    The way they describe their new songs... Did they literally say that, or handed it off to a pitchfork writer? "Not out-of-the-gate crazy heavy, but there are these little journeys with nice paths that end up very heavy" - the fuck is that supposed to mean?
    lol

    Hey I'm intrigued now...if they're describing shit like that.

    Oh Tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by screwdriver View Post
    true, but I also happen to know exactly what is involved in getting sued. HINT: not much for 99.9% of the time
    The words of a lawyer, right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    are there any pro shot tool shows?
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    lol no
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    IIRC, they filmed a couple of their shows from the tail end of the Lateralus touring cycle. I doubt that will ever see a release at this point, though.

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    During the last tour earlier this year, a reliable little bird told me that she has several live albums and almost completely done songs lying around her house, but nothing ever gets done with them. She also told me her husband goes to work every day and comes home annoyed and angry because some of the other people involved aren't taking the band very seriously. She also said that, generally, the wives are just as frustrated as the fans at the lack of progress and that they want more Tool to be released just as much as we do.

    Take that as you'd like.

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    Man, I honestly don't even want a new Tool album at this point. I used to want it after seeing Danny's band and how awesome the jam style playing was. But they would create an album by now if the passion was there still for this project, imo.

    Idk, just still riding the high and perfection that was the last Cinquanta show.

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    Oh I love how sick everyone is of the bands "bull shit"

    These guys don't owe any of you people anything. Least of all an explanation.

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    Another IIRC, wasnt Lateralus delayed because of legal issues at the time? Something to do with their record label. I dont blame the band one bit for not wanting to release anything during these times.

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    yes, with their previous label. still released Salival though. you know, since releasing a live record can fund your legal battles. (...)

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