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    @neorev and @eversonpoe . you will both likely be pleased to know that I am about to finally begin watching this as one of my weekly evening shows this week. You've both set the bar pretty high expectancy-wise, so hopefully this will help tide me over until the Twin Peaks resurrection in May

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    @NYRexall
    I just finished both seasons for like the dozenth time.

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    I'm stoked! I've heard nothing but good things about it over the years. I'm anticipating greatness..

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    I recently did a re-watch and forgot the disappointment I felt by the final season's pacing and how they did the last couple of episodes. It felt badly rushed toward the end as the well played out details they were able to expound upon in the early stages of the series just kind of took a back seat to getting the story wrapped up. But overall, superb series.

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    Faaackkkkkk I miss this show!! This bump made me both happy and sad all at once.

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    Watched the pilot episode of this last evening. It was compelling, but nothing great just yet. I've read many reviews stating how the pacing of this show is agonizingly slow and how you just have to hang with it and let it draw itself out over time, so I'm all in patience-wise. I don't know how I'll deal with this show just abruptly having its plug pulled when things begin to take off in the second season, as some of you have noted.

    To be honest, Oz and The Wire have literally ruined most HBO series for me because almost nothing can compare to those two in my eyes. The Sopranos bored the shit out of me. Boardwalk Empire was amazing for its first three seasons and then slid into mediocrity for its final two. Even the mighty Deadwood, which I enjoyed, was often frustratingly blunted by its languid pace and propensity for being too complicated for its own good.

    I'm looking forward to Westworld being released on blu ray and hopefully redeeming HBO's track record over the past ten years. I enjoyed what they were doing with Vinyl, and then they yanked that one too.

    Has anyone here seen Six Feet Under? Is that series worth investing several years of my life into?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    Has anyone here seen Six Feet Under? Is that series worth investing several years of my life into?
    Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Definitely.
    Seconded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sentient View Post
    I recently did a re-watch and forgot the disappointment I felt by the final season's pacing and how they did the last couple of episodes. It felt badly rushed toward the end as the well played out details they were able to expound upon in the early stages of the series just kind of took a back seat to getting the story wrapped up. But overall, superb series.
    To get the story wrapped up? HBO stopped the show after only 2 of 6 planned seasons. It was meant to be like a trilogy of books with 2 seasons making up a book. That's why the second season picks up speed like how a book starts moving along halfway through. The story wasn't wrapped up at all. Dan Knauf was at least nice enough to give us some info about the faiths of certain characters and what was to come. There was plenty of new characters to be introduced in the next four seasons. Plus he leaked the pitch document that explained a lot of the background.

    But to say the second season was rushed to wrap up the story, I don't know about that because the story was not wrapped up at all. According to the creator, there was still 15 years to cover over the next 4 seasons. There are many questions left open, but perhaps that helps give the show everlasting greatness. You get some answers, but there's still enough to make you wonder and ask more questions.

    Carnivale had one of HBO's largest audiences for its premiere that sadly dropped at the start of season 2, but actually grew again as the second season went on. I really do think a third season would have brought more people in. Hell, it still has a cult following after well over a decade and I'm constantly seeing new people discover and fall in love with the show only gutted to find it was axed early. One of HBO's biggest mistakes ever.

    HBO can give me great shows like Game Of Thrones and Westworld, but Carnivale still hold that #1 spot in my book.

    I don't want to spoil anything for new viewers, but the creator has posted some interesting things about the story that I got to copy and paste that will excite fans to learn from the man himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak33 View Post
    Seconded.
    Thirded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october_midnight View Post
    Definitely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak33 View Post
    Seconded.
    Quote Originally Posted by Self.Destructive.Pattern View Post
    Thirded.
    Awesome. Thanks for recommending. I will start this one asap..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    Awesome. Thanks for recommending. I will start this one asap..
    I own the series DVDs in individual season releases and spent around 10.00 per season so...no money woes getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    I own the series DVDs in individual season releases and spent around 10.00 per season so...no money woes getting it.
    Right, as soon as I made that previous post, I went on eBay and found the first season new and sealed for like $7.99 (and free shipping!)

    As soon as I finish season 4 of The Wire, I'm diving into SFU..

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    Six Feet Under is my favorite TV series of all time. SO well acted. And that finale...best ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbie solo View Post
    Six Feet Under is my favorite TV series of all time. SO well acted. And that finale...best ever.
    Is it like suspense-drama? Is the quality exceptional through all five seasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    Is it like suspense-drama? Is the quality exceptional through all five seasons?
    Six Feet Under is one of the most depressing show I've ever watched. Good but such a debbie downer.

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    My girl loves Six Feet Under. I thought it was decent, not amazing, but decent. And agree on it being pretty depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYRexall View Post
    Is it like suspense-drama? Is the quality exceptional through all five seasons?
    It's hard to put your finger on it, but the only real suspense you'll probably feel is when anything happens to one of the characters, since it's written so well that you really develop feelings for pretty much every character. You'll hate someone, then love them an episode later...

    As for the quality, it never wanes, the writing was that solid. And as was mentioned, that ending. If anyone ever tells you it's not one of the top 3 last thirty minutes of a series, they're a fucking liar.

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    Greeeeeeeat. Another dark, depressing drama to cry myself to sleep after, lol

    I've heard the finale is one of the best ever, as far as finales go. My season 1 DVD is currently in NJ. Hurry up and get to me already!

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    WARNING:
    DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED AND/OR FINISHED THE SHOW
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    Dan Knauf, the creator of Carnivale, recently took to Facebook to give fans a little more incite into what would have been in store for Season 3...

    Somebody texted me and politely asked what I had in mind for S3 of Carnivāle. I decided to tell him. This is what I said:

    "S3 would have started 4 years after the end of S2."

    "Brother Justin's "Church of the Air" would be thriving, wielding vast political clout. Justin himself would be greatly diminished from his battle with Ben at the close of S2, suffering chronic physical and psychic pain."

    "The real powers behind the throne would be his sister, Iris, and his wife, Sofie. Sofie has eclipsed Iris, however, and is the de facto queen of Justin's empire."

    "But she harbors a dark secret: that her husband is, in fact, her father, having been the unholy product of his rape of Apollonia. The potential explosive effect of this truth is exacerbated by the fact that Justin and Sofie have a four year old son."

    "Meanwhile Iris is sparing no expense, opportunity or effort to root out Sofie's secret in order to reassert control over her brother."

    "We find Ben, also in a diminished state, living in the curtained alcove of Management's trailer. The Carnivāle troupe has been disbanded, the original cast scattered to the winds. Only Samson and Ben remain, working as itinerant performers for a 3rd rate carnival on the Southeast circuit."

    "Ben is plagued by nightmares of the first atomic bomb test and premonitions of a Nazi-controlled America. calls Samson in and orders him to "find the others." They must resume the battle for the sake of mankind."

    "And that's just the first ten minutes of the first episode. Is the child Justin's or Ben's? That remains to be revealed..."

    Also, shortly after the cancellation annoucement, Mr. Knauff also let us know that Jonesy is not dead as well as the piece of the blade that broke off in Brother Justin would still be in him and leave him wounded in a diminished state while Ben would become more like Management trying to bring the pieces together. He also said he had 15 more years to cover with the 4 remaining seasons, hence why he turned down the idea of finishing the story in a movie in order to tie up loose ends. He didn't want to hurt the story trying to squeeze 15 years worth of story into a single movie. Marvel wanted to continue the story as a graphic novel series, but HBO blocked it. He also tried to get HBO to participate in Comic Cons back in the day before they were all the rage like they are today. He felt the show could grow an audience that way, but HBO was completely clueless about Comic Con and wouldn't go along.

    Here is the official pitch document PDF that was leaked, which was used to help outline the series and pitch it to HBO and gives us some answers as well as backgrounds for many characters...
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/adqbjogp2uqwyhz/carnivale_pitch_document.pdf?dl=0







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