Hairy Member
regarding Slow-Mo-Tion lyrics on pg 27, pretty sure at 01:47 it's
pump in the laughter
of dead-audience applause
and teenage rape candidates
i think we got ourselves
a ‘real hit’
don’t we wish
that we could feel something
more than
hate and morbid panic
morbid panic
hate and morbid panic
i'm too thin
Those lyrics are the official lyrics from MM. They're subject to be wrong, as always.Originally Posted by mrvirginia
Hairy Member
I'd say this album is on par with High End Of Low, though maybe its a bit better since I think HEOL has so much filler that it really bogs the album down from being a "fun rock" record like what I think GAOG is. I hated EMDM initially but got into that album eventually and like how he approached it differently from past albums.
I'll still give this new album a couple more spins but it's pretty much how I expected it to be and judging from the live performances, he should just be a studio artist.
Stubby Member
That's exactly how I feel (except the part about GAOG), I'm just quoting your words because you said it better
Hairy Member
Am I the only one who is enjoying it and isn't butthurt about the opinions of others? lol
i'm too thin
???
I didn't really notice anyone in here who is butthurt about anything (except maybe the Beatles.)
tempus est umbra in mente
I'm not offended by how stupid you are. I'm just pointing it out to you. If me telling you that your opinions are useless and moronic means I'm "butthurt," well, I hope that helps you sleep at night.
I don't think anyone is "butthurt" because some Marilyn Manson fan thinks the Beatles suck, even though he's never bothered to listen to an album.
Last edited by Jinsai; 04-25-2012 at 11:55 PM.
Unintelligible Whispering
Very surprised by how much of this album I'm enjoying. Didn't think he still had it in him; I might put this one on par with GAOG, just under the ol' tryptich. Particularly enjoying Children of Cain, Lay Down Your Goddamn Arms, and Gardner. Slo-Mo-Tion may be a new classic for me. I'm in love with it.
Pistol Whipped is terrible, Disengaged is forgettable. Those are my only real low points (two of the three tracks he alone is credited for, incidentally according to Wiki). Didn't care for Murderers, but it's slowly growing on me.
Not a fantastic album by any means, but pretty damn good.
Active Member
WHat is a "useful" opinion on something as trivial as rock music? You are just attacking him because he does not like the beatles as much as you, well done.
I like the beatles but I hate the way people get all pompous and self righteous when they meet someone who does not. There is no such thing as objectively good music... If your thinking is so uncritical that you actually believe "correct" taste exists thenGod help you
Throbbing Member
I don't know if you've read the whole Beatles thing from the start, but you're missing the point. It's not about attacking someone for tastes, it's about calling someone out for egregious talking out the assness.
I personally don't like Bruce Springsteen, he's just not my thing, doesn't turn me on, etc. But I don't go around saying things like, "Bruce Springsteen is mediocre pop bullshit; he's totally so overrated. And stuff. Where's my super cool power-chord goth music? Also, The High End of Low was a great album." I don't think anyone would argue Bruce Springsteen's impact, and it's obviously far less than the Beatles. So again, it's not about "like." Especially when we found out Harry Whatshisname hasn't even listened to a Beatles album!
Additionally, it's not off topic because the Beatles have been such an instrumental shaping force for Marilyn Manson, who as we all know has done numerous covers of the Beatles or their members, and frequently references them in his lyrics.
So, whatever, that guy sinned against the rock gods or something, but it's not like I actually care that much. I just won't take anything he says about music, or much else, seriously from here on out. You can't make incredibly bullshit statements about things you're not familiar with, and expect not be called out on it on the basis of, "I just leike different stuff and stuff."
Hairy Member
i'm enjoying it quite a lot actually. i'd rank it up there with the first 4 albums. not sure what anyone else in here is going on about.
The Virus Inside
I gave it a few more spins today on my ipod at work, and I don't think it's as bad as some people are making it out to be. But then again, I really keep playing the same 5 or so tracks over and over, haha.
As an album, it's OK, but I'd much rather make a 5 song EP out of it, as the songs that are good on it, are really good. the songs that are not are... well meh.
Songs I keep going back to:
Overneath The path to Misery
Slo-Mo-tion
The Gardener
Children Of Cain
Breaking the Same old ground
I really just play those over and over.
Can't stand:
Lay Down Your Goddamn Arms
Murderers are getting prettier...
The rest is mediocre, I could listen to the others, but they don't wow me so I don't bother.
I could make a solid album with the above 5 tracks I like plus 3 songs from THEOL and 3 songs from EMDM and that would be a great Manson album.
This guy has it in him to make a few good tracks, he just can't make full albums anymore. It seems like he makes a couple really solid tracks, gets bored and says "shit... I gotta fill an hour's worth of music somehow, but i'm out of ideas... ahh, i'll just mumble for the other 6-7 songs over some simple bassline and drum fill and call it an album"
Resident Asshole
not gonna lie, I'm digging the new album more than the last two. My friend had me in tears with his thoughts on "The Gardener"
Too Privileged to Get It
now that i've gotten to listen to the whole thing, my opinion is mostly the same, with a few differences. first, Pistol Whipped and Slo-Mo-Tion are, for me, the worst songs on the album. Pistol Whipped is just dumb. i don't know whether he was trying to be more shocking or more tongue-in-cheek, but it isn't working. it's just a really stupid song. Slo-Mo-Tion is only slightly better. i mean, come on, that whole line about "i've got a camera equipped with a flash"? so, so stupid. however, i did really enjoy Hey, Cruel World, and i also liked the title track a bunch, they reminded me of the old days. the rest of the tracks are okay; i don't dislike them, but they really haven't grabbed my attention much yet. as for the cover song, well, it was much better than what i thought it was going to be. i thought it would be so bad it would be awesome, and it's really not bad at all. much better job with that one than he did with his clone of Personal Jesus.
Throbbing Member
In a rather bizarre coincidence, bearing in mind the contents of this thread, I was left with the option this morning of listening to either the new Manson album, Beatles Anthology 2 (Revolver/Sgt Pepper era) (both were new to me as of yesterday), or a combined mp3 CD of NIN/Manson studio work that I created last night (about 150 songs long), for my commute to work. The Beatles won....
Heard up to 'The Gardener' last night before getting sidetracked by the NIN/Manson thing, liked what I heard so far, without it being stand out - but defo better than the last couple of offerings. Will get to see him for the first time ever at Brixton in a few weeks....
Hairy Member
I was pretty surprised cause when I started it I thought it was as bad as I figured it would be. The first track was good but then No Reflection started and I got a bad taste in my mouth. I had that till Overneath started and things seemed cool cause it's such a throwback song. After that my interest totally waned till Children of Cain started. The rest of the album was pretty solid and seemed to have a consistent vibe. The downsides over all to me are totally the lyrics and guitars. Pistol-whipped might grow on me but it kind of brings back bad memories of WOW. Either way it feels more mansonish than most everything from GAOG and up.
Matador de Froot Loops
The new album sounds much better than "The High end of Low" and "Eat Me, Drink Me" but it doesn't surpass "Antichrist", "Portrait", not even "Hollywood" it's a decent album with the best from his carrer, the best songs are the ones were Chris Vrenna is involved, the Mason tracks are the worst in my opinion.
My girlfriend also pointed at me something in the album: Mason barely sings!, his voice sounds worn out, blame the drugs maybe?
Anyway i had a good time listening but i could have been so much better
My fave tracks:
-Slo-Mo-Tion
-Hey, Cruel World...
-Born Villain
-No reflection
Active Member
Saying it's better than the last two albums isn't really calling it an accomplishment. Yeah, it's a little bit better IMO, but not much. Has some pretty cool songs there, but most just come off like filler. A lot of forgettable ones. No Reflection isn't going to grow on me at all. It's just that bland.
Hairy Member
i call it an accomplishment because i didn't think him or the band would ever produce anything i could really say i loved as a whole. the past 3 (GAOG, EMDM, THEOL) all have a few tracks here and there, but eventually i got sick of listening to any of them and they never get a spin. i listened to all of MA a few weeks ago, though. this album brings back a lot of nostalgic feelings because of a lot of the sounds thrown in. i thought his career as a musician was over but this album clearly shows he's still got some semblance of the MM of old.
Flaccid Member
Hey if any ETS member in Phoenix, AZ area has found a store selling the CD a bit early if they would let me know I would really appreciate it. I really don't want to download the leak. I'm a bit old fashioned for a 23 year old I like to purchase the album on or before release day (when record labels in the internet age release the album in other countries before others, makes NO sense to me).
Thanks, PM me if you don't want to get the store in hot water, so to speak.
Too Privileged to Get It
look, i don't care about any of that. i visit, and post in the thread, to talk about marilyn manson, because that's what the thread title is called. can we PLEASE cut the crap on BOTH sides of the argument, and get back to talking about the new album? or maybe the latest tour info, or SOMETHING that's relevant?
Active Member
Why not get the ball rolling yourself instead of doing a little wee!
I like no reflection, "murderers..." and "overneath", need to hear the rest a bit more. Some of it is a bit plodding.
it is a totally different band since Eat Me... Though. I like the idea of MM being a more low key alt rock guitar type band but he does seem pretty broken these days. I will buy the lp and check the tour, as always
have to say im not into the confessional, personal stuff he does these days, i feel bad for him... And not in the way i feel bad for ian curtis!
ftr i was the only one who liked EMDM but i found THEOL a bit scruffy and bland.
goon moon gives me more of an old manson vibe to be honest!
Flaccid Member
Too many prototypical industrial goth trappings strewn about (backwards talking, radio tuning, spoken word etc.) for my liking.
Slo-Mo-Tion is catchy as fuck though. Some songs sound like Nirvana at times.
Active Member
Is anyone else bothered by that little off-timing backing vocals in the rape of persephone verse of Overneath? Overall I really like the song and think the album version is a lot better than the video version, but this addition irks me. It just sounds sloppy and doesn't flow.
Throbbing Member
This album is absolutely fucking horrible. What a shitty waste of time.
Also, Manson's really got fat these days, hasn't he?
The Virus Inside
I created a playlist that I consider the best of the last 3 albums combined together. It's no surprise to anyone that Born Villain isn't his top album, but better than his last 2 attempts, but that's still not saying much. However, I think we can all agree he has at least a few good tracks on his last 3 albums. So I decided to create an "album" based on picking the best songs from each album... this is what I came up with:
Devour (extended version)
Running To The Edge Of The World
Children Of Cain
Four Rusted Horses
Overneath The Path To Misery
Wight Spider
Blank And White
Slo-Mo-Tion
Mutiliation is the Most sincere form of flattery
The Red Carpet Grave
The Gardener
I have to look up just to see hell
You, me and the Devil makes 3
Breaking The Same Old Ground
Eat me, Drink Me
That's my list anyway. I bet everyone else's would differ, but those in my opinion are the best tracks from the last 3 albums, and listening to them in this order flows pretty well.
Active Member
I see where you're going, and for the most part I can dig it, but The Red Carpet Grave and Mutilation are two of the worst songs Manson has ever released. Ever. As far as EMDM goes, I can only even tolerate the second half (Evidence forward, not including Mutilation obviously), and even those songs are only just tolerable.
Throbbing Member
Dear Chris Vrenna, when you said that we'd never be able to tell that the drums on the new Manson record were made with BFD (a soft synth drum machine) I figured you knew your shit. I have since discovered the stiff as fuck drumming on the record. I can tell. Even if I wouldn't have known they were made with a drum machine specifically, I still would have thought they were as stiff and lifeless. They lack dynamics especially the unconvincing snare hits, toms, and hihats, and they're way, way too perfect in terms of timing and tempo. In short, they're incredibly fucking generic, and now it's all I can think about during most of the songs.
The drumming on this record is fucking terrible, except when it's actual electronic drum sounds. That stuff is hardly revolutionary, but it ain't nearly as bad as the stuff that's pretending to be a live drummer,
- Magtig
Last edited by Magtig; 04-26-2012 at 05:23 PM.
Hairy Member
He also said the drumming on the two pervious records were programmed. Did it bother you then too?
The Enhancer
They played that Carly Simon cover on the radio today. I didn't mind it.
