Obamacare Upheld, Conservative Heads Explode

[Magtig]

The response to this has been hilarious, especially in this thread on freerepublic.com (a new guilty pleasure).

"This is fascism. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."

"The Confederate States of America doesn’t look so bad now, does it?"

‎"The only problem that Liberals have with the history of chattel slavery in the America is that the slaves were privately owned."




AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Magtig]

"In short, America died today.. Lady liberty got shot in the back the day Obama was elected and she's finally succumbed to her wounds."

"If someone can’t afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?If someone can’t afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?
If someone can’t afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?
If someone can’t afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?"

If you can't afford to stay alive you should just die? Daaaaang. That's pretty fuckin gangsta.

I'm expecting pictures of these people lighting their hair on fire any second now.

edit: "“I think I’ll vote for Zero [Obama]; the sooner the country implodes and goes full CW2 [Civil War II], the better.”

[50 Volt Phantom]

The mandate was exposed for what it is, a tax, and not just a tax, but one of the biggest tax hikes in US history. An already unpopular bill is now going to be even more unpopular, I expect this to rally the conservatives and bring some of the independents our way too. I look forward to getting Romney in the White House and going about removing this garbage of a bill. You all can celebrate for now.

[Magtig]

Yeah, yeah, go back to posting on freerepublic.com with the company of folks such as this delightful man:

"3 females on the SCOTUS and they ALL vote to uphold Obamacare. Women in the workplace.. How well that’s worked out, huh?"

And this other delightful man:

"I shall no longer fly any flag other than the Texas flag. I shall defend no constitution other than the Texas Constitution. "

[theruiner]

I particularly liked this one:


The overwhelming consensus (at least there) seems to be: fuck poor people, if you can't afford healthcare you should just die in the street, rich people are awesome, poor people suck, fuck you.

Wonderful human beings, the lot of them.

[allegro]

It was fun to be working in a LAW FIRM when this decision came down, and not among the general clueless public who doesn't know the argument between tax and commerce and couldn't read a Supreme Court opinion if their lives depended on it.

GO READ THE GOD DAMNED OPINION. USE HIGHLIGHTER PENS IF YOU HAVE TO.


General consensus in the legal community was that this was Roberts' "Rehnquist Moment."

[xmd 5a]

Hey guys, just posting here from "Australia". A terrifying apocalyptic wasteland, where freedom and liberty and stuff died back in 1975! Thankfully, I, my friends, family and coworkers have all been lucky enough to avoid the death panels and gulags.

Wishing you guys the same luck!

[xmd 5a]

The overwhelming consensus (at least there) seems to be: fuck poor people, if you can't afford healthcare you should just die in the street, rich people are awesome, poor people suck, fuck you.

Wonderful human beings, the lot of them.

What wonderful Christian family values. Jesus would've said the same, I'm sure.

[allegro]

[Fixer808]

^^ Awesome, but I can't condone the defamation of our beer for any cause.

this thread on freerepublic.com

I thought I'd read it for a laugh but gave up, there's only so many poorly-spelled, badly-parsed outraged comments I can stand in a day.

[allegro]

I can't read any of that stuff on Facebook, either. Not until they have a "W.T.F." button.

[jessamineny]

I thought this was really fascinating... suggesting that, according to clues in the opinion, Chief Roberts possibly changed his vote at the last minute.

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/28/did_...witch_his_vote

[Magtig]

The overwhelming consensus (at least there) seems to be: fuck poor people, if you can't afford healthcare you should just die in the street...

Yeah, here's an actual quote, it's pretty gangsta:

If someone can’t afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?
If someone can’t afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?
If someone can’t afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?
If someone can’t afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?

Why do they deserve to live? Shit... I hope you don't have grandparents.

[Fixer808]

The part about not being able to afford to work does not compute. "Fuck, man, I wish I had a job but's just too EXPENSIVE to work at the steel mill!"

[orestes]

Stealing this to post on Facebook.

I like how some people have compared this to Sharia law.

[Fixer808]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sorry, that just... AAAAHAHAHAHA!! Sharia law, holy shit people are stupid. PICK ONE, is it extremist muslim? Nazi? Communist? YOU CAN'T PAINT WITH A BRUSH THAT BIG, CONSERVATIVES!

[allegro]

G has a cousin WHO'S ON DISABILITY and he's been bitching on Facebook about tax payers getting ripped off and Obamacare taking away liberties.

DUDE, YOU'RE ON FUCKING DISABILITY, LIVING OFF TAX PAYERS AND NOT PAYING ONE FUCKING DIME OF TAXES. BECAUSE YOU'RE FAT. WITH HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, AND YOU'RE AN ALCOHOLIC. AND YOU HAD A FUCKING HEART ATTACK BECAUSE YOU'RE A FAT ALCOHOLIC. AND WE'RE PAYING FOR YOU, BUT YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT "SOCIALISM?" ARE YOU RETARDED, TOO?

[Jinsai]

it's just really hard to believe that people are this fucking stupid... some of them I'm sure were just making a joke? right? hopefully?

[Piko]

I really don't understand the uproar. I used to have medicade (which was taken away from me) because of my eyes. Paid for my surgery (Corneal Transplant), which wasn't cheap. The prescriptions weren't cheap either. And for a guy who doesn't have insurance (can't afford that), and STILL have to go all the way to Baton Rouge to see an eye specialist, who isn't cheap to visit. This will help a guy like me in the long run. Especially, i've been shafted time and time again by the whole "pre-existing condition" bullshit. Prescriptions aren't cheap. I luckily qualify for free care to see my doctor (not my eye doctor, unfortunately). But it the end, this zaps my wallet to hell.

[allegro]

I thought this was really fascinating... suggesting that, according to clues in the opinion, Chief Roberts possibly changed his vote at the last minute.

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/28/did_...witch_his_vote

I completely disagree with them. It's a clear, eloquent, and beautifully-written opinion. Salon obviously didn't bother reading past the summary, which is the first thing you're taught NOT to do in law school.


Wow, man we just watched Househunters International: fuck Canada, we moving to NICARAGUA!!

[theruiner]

Prescriptions aren't cheap.

Brother, you're not joking.

After I lost my insurance earlier this year, I asked my pharmacy what the cash prices were on all my medication. Most of them were relatively cheap, but two of them were astronomical- one was something like $150 a month and one was over $300 a month. And this was at (God help me, but I've got no choice) Wal-Mart, which is probably the cheapest place around. I went back to my doctor and got my prescriptions changed. I dropped both medications and found alternatives. Turns out the med that I've been taking for four years- the one that cost $150 without insurance and was costing me $60 WITH insurance was unnecessary. I'm now on a FOUR DOLLAR A MONTH medication that does the same thing. And that's the cash price. It's insane.

[allegro]

Can you get your drugs from CANADA??

I bet you can get cheaper drugs in NICARAGUA!

All joking aside, I'm on a drug that was costing me $75/month under my Humana PPO individual plan. I married G, got his Cadillac Federal insurance, and now that drug costs me ... ready? $22/month. And the drug that used to cost me $35/month now costs me ... drum roll ... $5.60/month.

W.T.F.

[theruiner]

I actually hadn't thought of that. It's not a big deal now, because almost all of them are $4. The only expensive one I have now is, like, 25 bucks, and that's not so bad. I'm just annoyed that, about two months before I lost my insurance, I went to my doctor and said I couldn't afford the co-pays on two of my meds (the two I mentioned; the co-pays were $60 and $30 a month) and asked if there was anything else I could try. He told me no, sorry, I'm S.O.L. Two months later, I come in and go, I lost my insurance and I'm broke, I literally cannot afford these and he goes, oh, no problem, we can totally change it to something cheaper. Um...so when I had insurance it was, hey, sorry you hit some rough times, but there's nothing I can do, but when I don't have insurance it's, oh, yeah, of course I can give you something else. Figures.

[Piko]

I tore my TFCC (tiny piece of cartilage in my wrist), went to the doctor. The usual course of action is to operate. They sent me on my merry way and kindly told me to "deal with it". My wrist has never been the same since. It's shit like this why I support obamacare. All these people who are trash talking it probably haven't had to deal with any of that? They could afford their insurance and not give a shit, while the people under them can't. Fuck em, right?

[Mantra]

RT @morninggloria: Roberts is the Severus Snape of the Supreme Court.

[jessamineny]

I completely disagree with them. It's a clear. eloquent, and beautifully-written opinion. Salon obviously didn't bother reading past the summary, which is the first thing you're taught NOT to do in law school.

Well, it's not "Salon" writing this. It's Andrew Koppelman, a professor of law at Northwestern.

[Deus Ex Machina]

Favorite part of the whole thing is how quickly the conservative propaganda machine is embracing the whole 'Tax' idea; and how easily they can rewrite the thought patterns of their constituents.

See, up until yesterday, every last godfearing Conservative American would proudly tell you that Obamacare is not a tax but a fine on those who don't participate in certain kinds of economic inactivity. And is therefore unconstitutional. A great deal of time and energy has been spent on this argument.

But now that the horribly obvious truth has been affirmed by the Supreme Court, that the mandate is constitutionally speaking, just a tax, I'm already seeing news stories and facebook posts on Obama - Tax Raiser.

[allegro]

Well, it's not "Salon" writing this. It's Andrew Koppelman, a professor of law at Northwestern.

yeah, well, I still think it's some romantic notion that Roberts suddenly changed his mind and it was too late to stop the presses thing, that just seems goofy. Roberts' written opinion doesn't waffle at all, it's really clear and concise, and it obviously wasn't composed at the last minute. It's only the summary that seems to be goofy. I heard some law professors on NPR the other day saying stuff that lawyers in the office were LAUGHING OUT LOUD about, I mean really "WHAT THE FUCK?" kind of stuff. Let's see what's printed in the final U.S. Reports.

But now that the horribly obvious truth has been affirmed by the Supreme Court, that the mandate is constitutionally speaking, just a tax, I'm already seeing news stories and facebook posts on Obama - Tax Raiser.

I know, it's really frustrating that people are too afraid of legal writing to read the actual opinion.

HERE'S THE OPINION FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T READ IT: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Se..._msnbc.com.pdf

[Sutekh]

It's a great development & best of luck with it. I think a lot of opposition will die out as over the years more and more people will benefit from or know people that have been saved by your NHS (or whatever it will be caled).

[Mantra]

yeah, well, I still think it's some romantic notion that Roberts suddenly changed his mind and it was too late to stop the presses thing, that just seems goofy. Roberts' written opinion doesn't waffle at all, it's really clear and concise, and it obviously wasn't composed at the last minute. It's only the summary that seems to be goofy.

What's your opinion on the "dissent" thing? They're saying that Ginsburg's argument is repeatedly referred to as a "dissent," as if there was a time when it wasn't the majority opinion. Is there another explanation for why this would be?