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Faceplams: Just did and holy fuck you guys are idiots. My comparison to republicans emphasizing Obama's middle name couldn't have been a better choice.Originally Posted by richardp
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Just did and holy fuck you guys are idiots. My comparison to republicans emphasizing Obama's middle name couldn't have been a better choice.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf/
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It's not nearly the same. Everything about Trump is bullshit. Even his fucking name. That's the point. Drumpf is a shit show that is shining a bright light on the worst lowest common denominator assholes in this country.
Morons were using Obama's middle name in a shitty attempt to tie him in with Middle East/terrorism. It wasn't true.
Huge difference.
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congrats, you sound exactly like my conservative obama-hating relatives. Every single one of those justifications is exactly what they used.
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Obama has made plenty of bad decisions and mistakes.
Drumpf represents everything that is wrong with America.
I'm not sure where you'd get "conservative" from anything I've posted but okay, sure, make that error.
And nothing would be justified if you said all those things I said about Drumpf and his supporters about Obama.
Last edited by Swykk; 03-13-2016 at 06:15 PM.
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The Drumpf thing was brought up on the show because Trump apparently was calling out someone else (Jon Stewart?) for not using their real, more Jewish sounding last name. More substance than the Obama middle name thing, but probably not a useful attack tactic. I'm not sure what a useful attack tactic would be at this point when bringing up his disgusting policy opinions only gets more cheers and the mainstream media is talking about his naughty use of bad words instead of hammering him on his hypocrisy and other things that actually matter.
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To be fair, part of the reason Jon Oliver brought it up in first place is because Trump himself once attacked Jon Stewart for a similar reason when he tweeted "If Jon Stewart is so above it all & legit, why did he change his name from Johnathan Leibovitz? He should be proud of his heritage!" He made other tweets that were just as petty, like "I promise you that I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz - I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow. Who, by the way, is totally overrated." Trump always seems to get fixated on the weirdest things when he's got an axe to grind with someone. So within that particular context, I think it sort of worked just as a funny way of pointing out the guy's strange hypocrisy.
However, it's kinda dumb how it's become this meme thing, because not everybody even understands it and it just seems a little silly to go around calling him that without the context of Trump's tweets.
EDIT: wolfkiller beat me to it
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While I wouldn't call people idiots for calling Trump "Drumpf", I do think it's stupid, juvenile and wrong. People shouldn't stoop to Trump's level.
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The Drumpf thing is a culmination of a few things.
It's a jab at how the idea of being proud of your heritage but his family changing their last name (which I know wasn't Donald's idea or in any way his "fault", most immigrants have to change their name anyhow).
Which leads to the mocking of the I'm the real America I'm a real American I'm not an evil immigrant.
It's for people who are sick of seeing Trump this Trump that all over the internet, in a way blocking out his name while mocking the idea of his namesake (his "brand" is his last name, plastered on everything from hotels to his private jet).
Mostly it's a joke.
The Hussein emphasizers used his middle name to invoke fear, to say "hey, those people who attacked the World Trade Center had names JUST LIKE THIS GUY."
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and here is where you argue like all the conservatives during the obama years.
it doesn't matter if you do it with non-conservative intent. you are still using empty, ridiculous, justifications to call someone a name. There parallels in the justifications are unmistakable to anyone who is capable of stepping outside. You can argue all the small differences you want.
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@Wolfkiller, @Mantra, @sick among the pure - i get WHY people are doing it. it's still ridiculous. Especially the people using it in this thread completely out of context as a full on replacement for his name.
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and "look up drumpf" was a rebuttal to my post here: http://www.echoingthesound.org/commu...875#post293875
pretty shitty rebuttal
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Of course it's ridiculous, but I also think you're overstating things a bit if you think it's exactly the same as the Hussein thing, because Drumpf, despite being childish and petty, isn't trying to tap into xenophobia and fear-mongering towards a marginalized culture. Which is actually a pretty meaningful difference.
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They're likely using the Drumpf plugin, I know I am (because I need the giggle when I read about what he's said or done next).
You can think it's ridiculous, as long as you understand why people are doing it (and that it's apples vs oranges when compared to Obama's middle name being emphasized). Your avatar is still ridiculous, but I understand why people would find humor in it
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And Fascist Asshole just got a new endorsement from Pete Rose: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/0...rts+-+Mixed%29
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Oh for fucks sake, it wasn't a "rebuttle", I was telling you to use google before you say start talking shit on something.
But truthfully speaking, the real origin of Drumpf and the usage of it is actually mostly just to annoy the living fuck out of YOU specifically.
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JESUS @DigitalChaos , for a troll you seem to understand very little about trolling.
Do you think the constant harping about Trump's tiny fingers has merit either? He's returning playground bully insults to an adult wielding them, and he's using a funny hijacking of social media to do it.
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Again. I understand it. I'm just surprised (not really) to see people stoop to playground bully tactics... And, more importantly, dilute and distract from legitimate criticism of a supposedly horrible candidate.
You are helping the horrible candidate. It's the same as when republicans petty whining created a giant raft for democrats to float their cognitive dissonance on a while Obama did horrible shit.
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In short: this is the election you deserve. I'm grabbing my popcorn.
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No, it's the hope that the hashtag #MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain will trend (which it did) and that it would then result in more people seeing THE REST OF THE SEGMENT.
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That doesn't work. The people who support him see that and don't care.
Just like Bill Clinton was elected even with Whitewater and even with Gennifer Flowers.
Just like Mitt Romney got the GOP nomination even with Bain Capital and Rafalca.
Just like George W Bush was re-elected after 4 years of disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan, no WMDs, etc.
The only benefit of trending is the profits made on the sites hit.
This is only the primary. Tell me how warm and fuzzy you all feel when Jesus H Cruz is the nominee and he wants to take us back to the 1700s, and he's facing Hillary and they're playing dirty by filing criminal charges against her.
I'll get my popcorn. Even Sanders facing Jesus H Cruz and his army of crazy zealots calling Dems a bunch of Godless baby-killing socialist cretins should make this TV miniseries fun.
Last edited by allegro; 03-14-2016 at 01:08 PM.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trum...eft-agitators/
It's just as human dumpster fire Matt Forney wished.
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We've learned this so many times but you throw in some emotion and everyone forgets and loses their minds. It's nothing more than a circlejerk for those already onboard while further separating those who aren't or are undecided. It's not like there was one goddamned thing in that John Oliver segment that would convince a Trump voter not to vote for him. "oh, so a 10min segment for liberals to justify why they want to make fun of Trump's ancestral name... k... imma go call Sanders a Socialist now"
I'm undecided on which candidate will produce maximum schadenfreude when looking at their opponents, but it's seriously starting to feel like Trump might be the winner on that one.
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The John Oliver decimation should have extended beyond Trump's supporters, and I'd like to think it did. More people need to know what a monumental douchetruck Trump is, and calling him "Drumpf" is just a way of saying it. It's a gesture of futility though, yes, because there's nothing you can say or do that will actually matter to the people who want to vote for him.
But to say that it's the same as Whitewater? The issue with Trump isn't a particular scandal or set of scandals. It's that he's a despicable sack of shit in every conceivable way, with policy suggestions that make me want to become a Doomsday prepper.
Well, your idea of "fun" differs from mine. I honestly cannot believe that Trump and Cruz are the front-runners. I think this is a rebranding effort. After they lose this election so spectacularly, there's going to be a whole new "autopsy," and hopefully next time they will have options that don't sound like they came straight of satirical fiction.I'll get my popcorn. Even Sanders facing Jesus H Cruz and his army of crazy zealots calling Dems a bunch of Godless baby-killing socialist cretins should make this TV miniseries fun.
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See also this:
5 Reasons Why Ted Cruz Becoming President Would Be Bad For Women:
Obamacare and Birth Control:
He started and continued the government shutdown back in Oct 2013, all because of his beef with Obamacare (let it go dude), and delivered no viable plan for ending it, thus costing thousands of government employees to take a forced leave of absence. Now, he is ready to fight again, and seems unwilling to accept that the Affordable Care Act assists women in more ways than one. The major benefit being that employers must cover contraception without a co-pay, something Cruz intends to eradicate.
The DREAMers Act:
Cruz opposed the DREAMers Act and was against Obama allowing children of illegal immigrants to become legal U.S citizens. Oh yes, and he wanted to build that huge wall on our border with Mexico, too.
Violence Against Women Act:
Good ol' Cruz voted "no" to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act which would allow investigations and prosecutions into these crimes that are so often swept under the rug, never to be fully addressed. Unfortunately, his hard "no" comes from the added expansion to protect victims for gay and Native American women.
Marriage Equality:
Unsurprisingly, Cruz doesn't support gay marriage or marriage equality because he believes in supporting the definition of "traditional marriage". Makes us wonder what his views on traditional divorce are?
Anti-Abortion:
And of course, Cruz opposes women's reproductive rights when it comes to abortion. Calling the anniversary of Roe v. Wade decision a "dark anniversary" Cruz has continuously supported bans on any and all taxpayer funding of abortion and bans of partial birth abortion.
See also this:
Appearing Tuesday on right-wing radio host Jeff Kuhner’s program, Cruz fielded questions on Trump’s immigration ideas. Would Cruz build a wall, and bring Trump into his administration to build it? “Absolutely yes, on both fronts,” Cruz said, before going on to list the specific provisions of his own plan for massive investments in border security and restricting immigrants’ movements.
“I drafted that plan working in close consultation with Senator Jeff Sessions [R-AL] and with Congressman Steve King [R-IA], two of the strongest advocates and warriors for securing the border. The plan lays out we will build a wall that works, we will secure the border, we will triple the Border Patrol, we will increase four-fold the fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft, we’ll put in place a strong biometric exit-entry system on visas, we’ll put in place strong e-verify,” Cruz said. “We know how to solve this problem, and we will end sanctuary cities, we will end welfare for people here illegally, we will end catch-and-release, and we will deport criminal illegal aliens.”
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So was Ronald Reagan. He just had better PR people. When Reagan won, I wanted to shoot myself. But then I figured, eh, 4 years. But then the stupid fucker won AGAIN.
Trump actually has some good policy suggestions; elimination of estate tax is actually a good idea, I fucking hate estate taxes. Also, lowering corporate taxes and removing ALL CORPORATE LOOPHOLES INCLUDING HIDING INVESTMENTS IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS is a great idea that even a lot of the Democrats (and Obama) want. Also, getting rid of the fucking AMT is a great idea. Also, the government negotiating for lower Medicare prescription drugs prices (something it has never done) is a good idea. Also, since the SCOTUS has already ruled that we can't just "get rid of" the Affordable Care Act but that it must be replaced with something similar or better because people have already been relying on it for several years and it would cause undue hardship if it was removed completely, his idea of replacing it with a program that would be based on removing invisible state lines that currently exist and forcing insurance companies to submit competitive bids forces the prices of insurance down instead of letting the insurance companies do nothing but profit and forcing small businesses to choose between high deductibles or hiring more employees is an interesting concept that has to be explored. The current ACA was written by insurance companies and drug companies for their own benefit, not totally ours. We need to make it for us, and not for their profit.
Re Social Security, he says this:
"The solution to the Great Social Security crisis couldn’t be more obvious: Allow every American to dedicate some portion of their payroll taxes to a personal Social Security account that they could own and invest in stocks and bonds. Federal guidelines would make sure that your money is diversified, that it is invested in sound mutual funds or bond funds, and not in emu ranches. The national savings rate would soar and billions of dollars would be cycled from savings, to productive assets, to retirement money. And unlike the previous system, the assets in this retirement account could be left to one’s heirs, used to start a business, or anything else one desires."
He also says this:
"I would impose a one-time, 14.25% tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth over $10 million. That would raise $5.7 trillion in new revenue, which we would use to pay off the entire national debt. We would save $200 billion in interest payments, which would allow us to cut taxes on middle-class working families by $100 billion a year or $1 trillion over ten years. We could use the rest of the savings--$100 billion-to bolster the Social Security Trust Fund. By 2030, we [will have] put $3 trillion into the trust Fund, which would make it solvent into the next century.
In addition to shoring up Social Security for the long term, I say it’s high time to separate Social Security from the general treasury. It is time to lock-box it and throw away the key.
The rich will scream. Only the top 1% of people-those with a net worth of $10 million or more-would be affected by my plan. The other 99% would get deep reductions in their federal income taxes."
I'm not saying I like all of his ideas, but I don't like all of any of the candidates' ideas.
Last edited by allegro; 03-14-2016 at 02:46 PM.
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too late. you gave away your gun rights! :P
luckily some of us hid them away for safe keeping in a corner of the constitution even you support
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At this point, there aren't any short term strategies that will persuade Trump voters to get off the train. People talk a lot about trying to change their minds, but that ship has pretty much already sailed. I think with the Democrats, there are people still fluctuating between Sanders and Clinton, and so their primary still feels like it has the possibility of maybe evolving a bit more. But unless something truly earth shattering happens, I think the Republican primary is mostly set, especially in terms of the pro-Trump Vs. anti-Trump divide, and now it's just a matter of watching things unfold. Pretty much everyone's in their camp, they're dug in, and they ain't budging. Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.
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Honestly, I think most people pretty much already have their minds set between these two, also.
My mind was pretty much made up a while ago, and it's not based on some "wow, this sure feels great to be voting, I can't wait!" but based on SCOTUS judges, ultimately. I think a lot of people don't like any of these candidates and wish we could start all over.
Last edited by allegro; 03-14-2016 at 03:05 PM.
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We all know about the Bush & Clinton dynasties... how about a Trump dynasty too?
Ivanka is totally gearing up for it.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13189...l-dynasty.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/double...n_scarier.html
You guys ready? 4-8 years of Trump #1 and then another 4-8 of another Trump?
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