How to destroy angels: live 2013

[bgalbraith]

Might as well start a new thread. This seems to be the tour name based on http://tour.destroyangels.com

[october_midnight]

DATE
CITY
VENUE


04.12.2013
Indio, CA
Coachella


04.13.2013
Las Vegas, NV
Pearl Theatre


04.17.2013
Monterey, CA
The Golden State Theatre


04.18.2013
San Francisco, CA
The Regency Ballroom


04.19.2013
Indio, CA
Coachella


04.21.2013
Denver, CO
Paramount Theater


04.23.2013
Chicago, IL
Vic Theatre


04.25.2013
Toronto, ON
Sound Academy


04.27.2013
Boston, MA
House of Blues


04.28.2013
Montclair, NJ
Wellmont Theatre


04.29.2013
New York, NY
The Apollo Theater

[gorny540]

Showtime at the Apollo to close the tour, pretty unreal

[Wretchedest]

As i mentioned in other thread, the golden state theater has been a client in the past, so theres a minor oppurtunity for me to film that performance. The owner really likes to shoot the events. Either way im super stoked. That place is quite tiny and has great acoustics. Downtown monterey is so small i coupd imagine traffoc being derailed just for the lines that form naturally at trent shows.

[sheepdean]

Seeing as Coachella is streamed live on Youtube, live recordings of this tour are guaranteed - though does anyone know a good way to rip the live youtube streams? I don't want to rely on Coachella's "best of" not including HTDA.

[richardp]

Alright, anyone who's ever been to The Vic in Chicago. How does that place work? Is it like The Aragon where it's all GA including the Balcony or do shows typically have Reserved Balcony seating and GA Floor?

[jhulud]

Looks like I will be heading to Boston. Wooooo!!!

As for modlife handling their presale ticketing, I am not a huge fanof theirs. I am hoping that they will be able to handle the traffic.

[bgalbraith]

Bahahahahaha

"Yes, if a band doesn't play in your town, it's because the band members personally made that choice based on their deep hatred of said town." - Rob
https://twitter.com/rob_sheridan/status/304683745057837057

[bgalbraith]

Also, I'm definitely aiming for Boston (my office is right around the corner from HoB), and maybe the Wellmont and Apollo shows as well.

[Porkins]

do we have any idea what time presales start on wednesday?

[halo33]

The Apollo??!!

*insert obligatory "Harlem Shake" video*

[richardp]

do we have any idea what time presales start on wednesday?

I would assume the typical 10am or Noon.

[matt925]

Can't wait for sf!

I know the odds are small, but I'm hoping for gig posters from a variety of artists instead of just Rob (or frankly, not Rob at all).

[Porkins]

damn, I guess I'll be skipping class that morning then

[jrdsctt]

Getting pre-sale tickets for any Trent related thing always stresses me the fuck out. Trying to get tickets to Waves Goodbye was terrible...

[Alpha 60]

Alright, anyone who's ever been to The Vic in Chicago. How does that place work? Is it like The Aragon where it's all GA including the Balcony or do shows typically have Reserved Balcony seating and GA Floor?

The main balcony is normally general admission, but it is pretty cramped/steep and has seats. I’m not sure about the side little balconies. On the plus side the acoustics are not too bad there. In my opinion it is a much better experience than the Aragon, but it is 1/4 the size too.

[richardp]

The main balcony is normally general admission, but it is pretty cramped/steep and has seats. I’m not sure about the side little balconies. On the plus side the acoustics are not too bad there. In my opinion it is a much better experience than the Aragon, but it is 1/4 the size too.

The fact that it's so small really excites me. Really really hoping that I am able to score tickets to this.

[Wretchedest]

Thisll be nice for the wife too... she never got to see nin. Currently fishing to see if theres a video element to this performance. Everybody wins if thats the case...

Its really nice this is coming to monterey... i was begining to think i wasnt going to see them on this round. Kind of odd to think of trent in a seat only venue but... any of you guys heading out here?

[thefragile_jake]

The fact that it's so small really excites me. Really really hoping that I am able to score tickets to this.

Yeah my first concert in Chicago was at the Vic Theater, it was Jonsi in 2010 and there isn't a bad spot to see the band in the whole venue in my opinion. The stage is elevated enough that people on the floor all the way in the back can see what's going on and the venue is small enough that those in the balcony feel close enough. It's almost hard to explain.

I may not be fully behind this project but the idea of seeing Trent Reznor live again in such an intimate venue is really exciting as well. May have to look into this for next week when they go on sale....

....though I'm even more interested in all these cryptic possible hints at NIN live again as well.

[SM Rollinger]

Hmm. chicago the day after birthday, might have to treat myself, assuming i can get tickets. But damn, Im trying to save money for the impending Skinny Puppy tour. Choice choices....

[somewhat_]

Has anyone seen a show at the Sound Academy (Toronto)? I have read quite a few bad reviews. This will be the only show I can make it to so I will be going regardless. Hopefully someone will have something good to say about the place. I haven't been able to find the capacity of the place either?

[R-Dot-Yung]

Pre Sale is gonna be ugly...I can feel it

[Canuckle]

Has anyone seen a show at the Sound Academy (Toronto)? I have read quite a few bad reviews. This will be the only show I can make it to so I will be going regardless. Hopefully someone will have something good to say about the place. I haven't been able to find the capacity of the place either?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but it's an ugly venue. I'm actually very disappointed that this was the venue chosen for TOR, but I won't complain too much as there are a bunch of factors that go into these decisions.

The SA now generally employs a two tier ticket system (GA/VIP). VIP allows you to the upper balcony where it is easier to get drinks and has actual sloped seating. Either way, it won't stop the general terrible acoustics of the SA.

Here's hoping HTDA's team can figure out a way to deliver the best sound I've heard out of the SA ever.

[theimage13]

Well, I'll just have to hope against hope to get in on the general public sale. Can't do the presale, because I may very well be on tour with someone else by the end of April. Wouldn't want to buy a ticket I can't use. Poo.

[somewhat_]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but it's an ugly venue. I'm actually very disappointed that this was the venue chosen for TOR, but I won't complain too much as there are a bunch of factors that go into these decisions.

The SA now generally employs a two tier ticket system (GA/VIP). VIP allows you to the upper balcony where it is easier to get drinks and has actual sloped seating. Either way, it won't stop the general terrible acoustics of the SA.

Here's hoping HTDA's team can figure out a way to deliver the best sound I've heard out of the SA ever.

Thanks for the info. It won't keep me from making the 4 hour trip from Michigan since I have faith TR can still pull off a great show. The NIN crew did manage to make the Aargon ballroom in Chicago sound good.

Question about the balcony: If I purchased the VIP tickets, it sounds like I would at the very least be able to see the stage better. Have you noticed that the acoustics are any worse up in the balcony or about the same?


Edit : I just noticed a couple of people are already voicing their concerns about the venue to Rob on twitter. It must be pretty bad.

[AgentofChaos]

For any Toronto concert-goer, the Sound Academy has been the kiss of death for some time now. Book anywhere but there is pretty much the motto. I will say that they have done some renovations and made some improvements (it used to be MUCH worse, if you can believe that). Problem is, they either have by far the cheapest contracts and/or the best booking agent in the world, as they basically get all of the best non arena shows in the city now. As a result I'm forced to go there much more than I would like, and it's a shame too because in the summer it's an awesome view of the city and nice to be down by the water. They also have ideal smoking conditions for a toker like myself. A few bands have managed to surpass the acoustic issues since they've opened it up a bit more, TV on the Radio being one of them. I've also seen pretty decent shows from Queens and Them Crooked Vultures there, as well as Deftones, M83, and Alexisonfire.

At the end of the day, of course I would have preferred the highly underrated and vastly underused Kool Haus, and this is far from ideal but it's manageable. Just don't expect to be able to move around much, don't drink or use the bathroom (no soap no hope you touch your dick you wash your hands! if you've ever taken a piss there you will get that joke), don't expect to be able to go out to your car to dump any merch/poster (so fucking stupid), and expect for it to be filled with way more people than it can be expected to reasonably hold for that kind of venue, and you'll make it through just fine. Sometimes the hate for the building becomes larger than life, but it's really just another poorly thought out venue. I think if they didn't book SOO many shows and gave some other places a shot at some decent acts, their reputation wouldn't be nearly as bad. That, and if they sold a lot less tickets (or if you are seeing an act that won't sell out), as I've also been there when they cut the floor in half and it is a million fucking times better that way.

[Wretchedest]

Anyword on what time the presale takes place? And where?

[bgalbraith]

Anyword on what time the presale takes place? And where?

Not sure about time yet, but I'm positive it will be through Modlife. From the tour site:

"We're working with a new partner, Modlife, for HTDA ticketing, merch, and album sales. We think this will lead to a better purchasing experience all around."

[NIN64]

I really hope that they announce the presale times soon. I'm going to have to secure the "F5 time" off from work. . .

[sick among the pure]

It sucks that the NJ show is right outside NYC, because to get to either one would cost as much, if not more, than the ticket itself. I mean, I should be glad I could potentially get there with a combination of train and bus, but it's just not going to happen.
Good luck to everyone else. :)

[sheepdean]

Apparently NIN are starting their new tour, called "How To Destroy Angels". http://www.examiner.com/article/nine-inch-nails-how-to-destroy-angels-2013-new-tour-dates

[staleincense]

Apparently NIN are starting their new tour, called "How To Destroy Angels". http://www.examiner.com/article/nine-inch-nails-how-to-destroy-angels-2013-new-tour-dates
Oh good lord...

[Warped_Savant]

Apparently NIN are starting their new tour, called "How To Destroy Angels". http://www.examiner.com/article/nine-inch-nails-how-to-destroy-angels-2013-new-tour-dates

Nine Inch Nails produced the following albums from its formation in 1989 to present. "Formation," "Pretty Hate Machine," "Broken,"...
I love it when articles make up album names...

[NIN64]

Wrong thread. That belongs here: Nine Inch Nails 2013 tour (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1400-Nine-Inch-Nails-2013-tour). I read it on the internet. . .

[jessamineny]

Examiner.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examiner.com) lets barely literate people write for them. Consider the source.

[millionmilesaway]

hmm to convince the boyfriend to go with me or to go alone...

[Vertigo]

Bring him along, then you can guilt him by asking why he's not backing you in an awesome band.

[RJK]

hmm to convince the boyfriend to go with me or to go alone...

Always easier to get one ticket than to get two.

[witte]

@destroyangels: We should have specific info about tour presale times later today at http://t.co/XXXx1Jk7Xs

[gorny540]

The Vegas show is up on ticketmaster, general on sale is friday at 1, I'd expect this to be the norm for the rest of the dates

[WorzelG]

I'd kind of set my heart on htda opening for Depeche Mode in Europe, but since that leg finishes end of July that probably isn't on the cards. Oh well..

[jessamineny]

The Vegas show is up on ticketmaster, general on sale is friday at 1, I'd expect this to be the norm for the rest of the dates

Tickets are $30. Dayum.

[spahn]

Tickets are $30. Dayum.
that's cheap!!! still wish they were heading down here to south florida!

[johnbron]

I didn't see this posted yet. Interesting. April 10th date...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/26/mupyry3u.jpg

[DVYDRNS]

I'm gonna hit the pomona show. cheap. might as well.

[Canuckle]

Tickets are $30. Dayum.

Seems that's about right. although I'm curious why there is no range considering some of these venues layouts are clearly set up for tiered pricing.

Pomoaa now up on TM with:

US $29.50US $29.50 Ticket + US $11.75 Fees =
US $41.25

[somewhat_]

I'm already disappointed in Modlife. Really? Less than 2 days before tickets go onsale and you don't have the times set yet?

[jhulud]

"We should have specific info about tour presale times later today at http://tour.destroyangels.com/"

Tweeted about 5 hours ago. So now it's just a waiting game.

And yeah, I'm not a fan of Modlife.

[Ruined]

As i mentioned in other thread, the golden state theater has been a client in the past, so theres a minor oppurtunity for me to film that performance. The owner really likes to shoot the events. Either way im super stoked. That place is quite tiny and has great acoustics. Downtown monterey is so small i coupd imagine traffoc being derailed just for the lines that form naturally at trent shows.
I just recently moved back to my hometown (Salinas) which is only 20 minutes from the Monterey venue. This would be my first "major concert" at Monterey; usually attended shows in Santa Cruz and San Francisco. Very cool!

[WorzelG]

I wonder if they're trying the shows out to see how they go before deciding whether to do anymore touring? I'm not losing all hope for a more extensive htda tour sometime in the future, I'll check youtube for footage in the meantime

[RJK]

The Wellmont Theatre show in NJ costs $49.50 (plus fees?)

[jhulud]

In case anyone missed their tweet about 8 hours ago:

"Tour presales will begin Wednesday at noon local time for each show. We'll update http://tour.destroyangels.com (http://t.co/XXXx1Jk7Xs) when we get the full on-sale info."

[sheepdean]

Anyone going to the shows, if you plan to keep track of the setlist, please hmu so I can update ninwiki

[ScreamingSlave]

Hopefully we will get an official taping policy soon :)

[witte]

In case anyone missed their tweet about 8 hours ago:

"Tour presales will begin Wednesday at noon local time for each show. We'll update http://tour.destroyangels.com (http://t.co/XXXx1Jk7Xs) when we get the full on-sale info."

what do they mean with 'noon'? 12:00 am/ 0:00 pm?
what do they mean with local time? example: dates in NYC, New York times?

still no buttons to push. making homework is hard this way...

[ItsJustDave]

what do they mean with 'noon'? 12:00 am/ 0:00 pm?
what do they mean with local time? example: dates in NYC, New York times?

still no buttons to push. making homework is hard this way...

Noon is midday

[jhulud]

Noon = midday = 12:00pm

Local Time = Whatever timezone the venue on sale is in. Example: Boston is EST therefore those tickets will go on sale at 12:00pm EST.

Doing math is hard. ;)

[jhulud]

A couple of Twitter updates from the band:

"We're finalizing extensive presale details. Presales begin tomorrow at noon local time, except Pomona, which begins March 7th."

"You'll need a free HTDA account for presale tix. If you pre-ordered the album you already have one. If not, sign up: https://modlife.com/store/create_account.php … (https://t.co/acR8YzHG6B) "

[Canuckle]

Not to be a complete dick... but I'm hoping they keep this delay in presale info up so that it's easier to snag some tics tomorrow.

[staleincense]

I didn't see this posted yet. Interesting. April 10th date...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/26/mupyry3u.jpg
Is that meant to be Trent underneath The Selecter?

[Harry Seaward]

Full ticket presale info is now up at http://tour.destroyangels.com/

[sheepdean]

This appears to be the official tour logo, multiple sites are using it as the band's logo
http://i.axs.com/23-02252013-512ba6139d355.jpg

[artgirl9]

Ok, where are you guys finding ticket price info?

[Harry Seaward]

Ok, where are you guys finding ticket price info?

I think people are just looking on Ticketmaster. I assume the pre-order prices through the HDA site will be different.

[sheepdean]

The face value is from ticketmaster and/or venue website, all easy to find. Nothing is over $45

[artgirl9]

I think people are just looking on Ticketmaster. I assume the pre-order prices through the HDA site will be different.

Oh, duh. That makes sense. Chicago isn't listed yet. But yes, as I recall from past shows, we probably won't need to pay those additional fees on top of the original ticket price. So that's a plus. Looks like I can guess about $30 per ticket.

[Canuckle]

The face value is from ticketmaster and/or venue website, all easy to find. Nothing is over $45

You sure?

TM prices show:

Toronto - $51.75
New York - $49.10
Boston - $35-$50

[johnbron]

Is that meant to be Trent underneath The Selecter?
I was thinking the same thing.

Also, I'm now looking at the Pomona show. Very likely going to happen. Hope to see some of you there. I can't afford to do NYC right now, sadly.

[jhulud]

I'm getting antsy and nervous.

[m0reta]

Oh them pre-sale jitters! :-D

Just as a note, they sent out the pre-sale info to people who did a pre-order I guess. At least I got one. There is some additional info to what's on http://tour.destroyangels.com.

They note which shows have GA and which are reserved seating. For anyone interested:

February 27 Pre-Sale Shows:

04.10.2013 Pomona, CA - Fox Theater (general admission)
04.13.2013 Las Vegas, NV - Pearl Theatre (general admission)
04.17.2013 Monterey, CA - The Golden State Theatre (reserved seating)
04.18.2013 San Francisco, CA - The Regency Ballroom (general admission)
04.21.2013 Denver, CO - Paramount Theater (reserved seating)
04.23.2013 Chicago, IL - Vic Theatre (reserved seating)
04.25.2013 Toronto, ON - Sound Academy (general admission)
04.27.2013 Boston, MA - House of Blues (general admission)
04.28.2013 Montclair, NJ - Wellmont Theatre (reserved seating)
04.29.2013 New York, NY - The Apollo Theater (reserved seating)

And then here is the bit that is in addition to what was already posted to http://tour.destroyangels.com:



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* You must be a registered howtodestroyangels.com (http://howtodestroyangels.com) member. Members will be required to setup a new account or login to an existing account during the ticketing checkout process.
* All pre-sale ticketing is on a first come, first served basis. Ticketing inventory is reserved and allocated once a user completes checkout.
PURCHASING TICKETS
* HTDA pre-sale tickets will be available online only. No phone, e-mail, or mail orders will be accepted.
* There is a four (4) ticket limit per registered HTDA member, per show.
* Pre-sale tickets are limited. HTDA does not guarantee tickets for all eligible members.
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* Ticket prices will vary.
* You may use someone else's card to purchase tickets; however, only the HTDA account holder may collect the tickets at will call on the day of the show. Unauthorized purchases will not be honored. IMPORTANT: The tickets will be available at the venue ticket pick-up location under the HTDA member's FIRST AND LAST NAME and NOT the name on the credit card. You cannot transfer a HTDA ticket purchase to any other name.
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* The HTDA/Modlife member whose account was used to purchase the tickets must be present to collect the tickets on the day of the show. No exceptions.
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If you have any technical problems with the pre-sale process, please contact support at htda@modlife.com. Your e-mail will be answered in the order it was received. Please have patience so we can service everyone with equal respect. For tour updates, follow HTDA on Twitter (http://e.modlife.com/wf/click?upn=QSWk1RmzceKKcmMHJQ8nW-2BisnrruAvqd-2BxibqrUyxf8RJihJUUiPRKUOj9fK-2F-2FKG_Uy83KL-2BeYaE8GiEszazU1C8KkYV6LAtkDieKj8im8nKL4Le6lfWIISA 8TDmzGnSJmfJo4A0GWF6k9Ene-2BWEomnhQSBP4jDYvydofncRo-2BbUapuoXF5gLwiq5B8fBaQSODxB7JLqBEZ7ve-2Ff6-2FJzlCFYZ3GAlZ-2B7NEmlH8mt0q82oG-2FO6ZitDaG7DHXJtDIRG1zcmV89RkHcZGewG-2BC-2BV9k4nXh0WjD1sKlX4g3yXuyT6Su3bRIya0erjjHHzYMzncqj GL0rOTLmR-2B529UxyTH35ZN7T0T8kehZ4rYoTsED4Z82ICuLHI-2BvBIcQqfbdA0nEbS26gp3IYAxxz9Xa6-2F-2Bg-3D-3D), Tumblr (http://e.modlife.com/wf/click?upn=vCaCRpfTXcI0s2uZ58DDHZBRktZtusqwZVWfHCLG Y8wa8rZpJgDGWTQ1JeupVf4c_Uy83KL-2BeYaE8GiEszazU1C8KkYV6LAtkDieKj8im8nKL4Le6lfWIISA 8TDmzGnSJQbp7sGbqW9hcaOW0hMm2OyEBTBol4JnFBQUCD7Si3 R2mBvxlP-2FXcgM66s28iZEwJKmcc6yMi3SPBljMOvm-2FSQv3F3NFDqzFhQnoy41BpNRG7XIy85Y-2BW-2Ft6LEJkRtWQq9PeydHq6bouxqKb8bqQsUX4EmXo041i0BabZY JllY-2B76WZA7lRY4zEPNkBIqKc1DteDhA25y2uzkCDb50n2YSRkXbv lRWYzc5zU4d6xzvXywdeg76NsDBRohrx7VER6CUY7cJ-2BM9MvBLtphxPi1RkQ-3D-3D), or Facebook (http://e.modlife.com/wf/click?upn=mhFeiDs8juRkkHodMLIfhh-2BYnj6Ua65zraA82klr-2BTiatqisbJVviLUOSOJbXPqlEyiK1jueTSNTB1OeTCca9Q-3D-3D_Uy83KL-2BeYaE8GiEszazU1C8KkYV6LAtkDieKj8im8nKL4Le6lfWIISA 8TDmzGnSJFNiE2s27b27pJEUPxq-2FN1ycAnk8cLmDw-2BLh5mDE9U4VYfEN3Lqunp7iswsxpTrI4971fSSKW6plrLNgrF GcTfeCbI72Ki12XKym47RyQ7LJOExs3okKL1WBvGQ2w-2FbyRaAwEjAriZRJaDt-2FYLZV1ewMMKME6SlFj5fJxb9ZeF6Kz4amHapq-2BPf0j1sXyWpX5IDMDhDxGyKrWEGLJB4V528SjccefJdLbjjXk 5NqQcai7VWAYNKVG18Vg4vm8uIIPCorzAceWf9X-2FWzqh51tQtw-3D-3D).


Most interested to see the explicit text against ticket swapping.

[skip niklas]

I just wish I knew how much the tickets for Chicago would be.

[gladcarrot]

Make sure to create an account on the HTDA page in order to preorder tickets.

https://modlife.com/store/create_account.php

[Amaro]

Where exactly do the tickets go live at? Right next to a listed show on the Tour page? I've got a friend freaking out.

[skip niklas]

Good luck East Coast, I'll be taking notes for my chance in 90 minutes.

[R-Dot-Yung]

F5 F5 F5 F5

I am expecting to lose here.

[jhulud]

Keep hope alive people! We will not fail in securing tix! Hurrah!

[Ruined]

That seems to be the norm: To the right of the date is usually where a "get tickets" link appears. If, for some reason, there no link, scroll over the venue to see if becomes a live link. Good luck to you and everyone else!

[ScreamingSlave]

Oh The anticipation :)

[screwdriver]

Fuckkkkkk website fail

EDIT: and I seemed to have been screwed

[otnavuskire]

Keep trying. I got through relatively quickly.

[ScreamingSlave]

Woot I'm in for Boston !!!!!!!

[frankie teardrop]

site failure. i got two tickets in the cart immediately, but can't get to the checkout. now it says sorry this item is not in stock in your requested quantity. straight up irritating.

[NIN64]

Got mine for NJ. . .

[R-Dot-Yung]

Just bullshit, I don't understand how this works or why the website has to crash I had two tickets god dammnit

[shagg_187]

0. Make sure you are already logged in!

1. http://store.destroyangels.com/index.php?cPath=5

2. Add tickets (Make sure you cart is previously empty or you'll have to go through additional step of removing items like shirt of CD)

3. https://modlife.com/store/checkout_shipping.php

4. Good luck!

[RJK]

Worst website ever.

[Porkins]

looks like all the montclair ones disappeared in the first five minutes

[screwdriver]

So, did anyone actually get tickets for Apollo? I have no idea how. I was on top of this, with a blazing fast internet connection, and got nothing.

[jessamineny]

Well, Modlife sucks. But I'm glad I know a little more about their abysmal system before the NIN presales.

[otnavuskire]

Worst website ever.

Nah, the NIN presale websites were worse.

[hippygeek]

Really bad cart setup - allows you to add items to cart and then sells them from under your feet.

Oh well, Ticketbastard for the win, I guess...

[joplinpicasso]

Oh well. There's always general sale.

[screwdriver]

Well, Modlife sucks. But I'm glad I know a little more about their abysmal system before the NIN presales.

did you actually get tickets?

[Porkins]

as much as ticketmaster policies blow, allowing you to reserve tickets for a few minutes while entering payment info is pretty brilliant

[halo33]

So, I generally dont mind getting shut out of presale tickets. But dont say that I have 2 tickets, make it all the way to the billing page, THEN tell me there are no tickets available..

Annoyed.

[RJK]

Nah, the NIN presale websites were worse.

I was always able to get NIN presale tickets. Modlife didn't tell me there were no tickets until the payment screen. Sorta bullshit.

[jhulud]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!

Shut out. Got all the way to payment info and then get error saying not available in quantities desired. Such bullshit.

[frankie teardrop]

Well, Modlife sucks. But I'm glad I know a little more about their abysmal system before the NIN presales.


but i'm not sure what one learns from it crashing, and not letting you check out with the two tickets you have in your cart already. other than you're fucked.

[FULLMETAL]

That royally sucked. I love getting to the billing address screen and then finding out that the quantity of my single ticket is no longer available.

3 shows in roughly 10 minutes. The allocation for these presale tickets must be tiny, or there are a shit-ton of scalpers with HTDA accounts.

[AgentofChaos]

Tickets procured for the Toronto show. Thank fuck.

[NIN64]

Not gloating, but I had no problems with the site. Smooth transaction, just a little slow. . .

[UninTY]

wow. it appears I got incredibly lucky. Website went nuts for the first 2-3 minutes. around 12:05 I got in. Successful checkout around 12:08.

[ObviousParadox]

got them for the apollo, went to cart, NOPE GONE

I fucking hate that I can't see my favorite bands because I don't know the tricks of getting presale tickets or whatever. I refuse to believe its just luck. I mean who gets them for these ridiculously quickly sold out shows and how?

[bgalbraith]

For reference, it looks like the pre-sale for the four east coast venues sold out in about 10 minutes. There will still be an opportunity to buy tickets through the normal means starting Friday at 10am.

[jessamineny]

but i'm not sure what one learns from it crashing, and not letting you check out with the two tickets you have in your cart already. other than you're fucked.

See below...


did you actually get tickets?

Nope. Had a ticket in the cart for Toronto. It said you could "Continue shopping." So I decided to try to add an Apollo ticket instead of checking out (bad idea). Tried to add an Apollo ticket, but the system added ANOTHER Toronto ticket instead. Beautiful.

Then the system wouldn't let me remove the extra Toronto ticket from the cart. So I decided to check out anyway. Gave me a credit card error. Sent me back, and then said it was sold out. FFS

[Gardenia Spectre]

Got shut of out NYC - same story as many of you - 2 tickets in cart but no longer available at checkout.

[witte]

Mountclair: manage to get the ticket in the HTDA pre sale.
NYC: I'm in! ticketmaster.com helped me out!

Next:flight and hotel!

[frankie teardrop]

ahh. well not for nothing, i approve more of the ticketmaster system. once you have the tickets in your cart, you should have them in your cart until they time out or you give them up... not sold out from under you when you're trying to get the site to load under such heavy traffic. i was there, had the tickets in the cart, should have been a no brainer.

[heisenberg]

same shit happened to me trying to get two tix for the apollo. so i checked ebay..http://www.ebay.com/tickets/How-To-Destroy-Angels-Tickets-04-29-13-New-York-/143699275?_refkw=how+to+destroy+angels+apollo&_pcatid=846&_pcategid=173635&_tab=2&_from=R40&_dmpt=

there ya go. asshole scalpers win again. they need to fucking fix this shit. we should bombard TR's twitter.

[hippygeek]

Nah, the NIN presale websites were worse.
At least they didn't let you add to cart and then steal them from underfoot. The cart would hold the tickets, allowing you to checkout. I think this is a step down in terms of functionality. Bleurghh.

[frankie teardrop]

same shit happened to me trying to get two tix for the apollo. so i checked ebay..http://www.ebay.com/tickets/How-To-Destroy-Angels-Tickets-04-29-13-New-York-/143699275?_refkw=how+to+destroy+angels+apollo&_pcatid=846&_pcategid=173635&_tab=2&_from=R40&_dmpt=

there ya go. asshole scalpers win again. they need to fucking fix this shit. we should bombard TR's twitter.

that seems suspect--- with presales like this you don't know what seat you have until the ticket arrives. these people don't have them, so i wouldn't worry about that until regular ticketmaster sales.

speaking of which, what are you talking about, nine_inch_nerd?

[dbrekke]

How is this possible?!?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-TIX-How-to-Destroy-Angels-4-29-Apollo-Theater-LOWER-MEZZ-LEFT-/111019845549?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item19d94c67ad

[gorny540]

Surprised and sorry to see so many people had problems. I got 2 for the NJ show and didn't even feel like I was going at a blistering pace, but I always have good luck with these presales, getting a pair of tix to NIN @ the Bowery Ballroom proved that. The disclaimer on the site said that they can only sell 8% of tix, so if it is a 2000 seat venue thats only 160 tix not to mention that people were buying in pairs of 2 and 4 this time, hope everyone has better luck when this comes to NIN tix in the (near) future.

[sheepdean]

So, for those after tickets...
Too Late, All Gone

[Canuckle]

For those who are disappointed, assuming what the small text says is true... the amount of pre-sale tickets they had available is somewhere between 5-10% of the total tickets.

I hate to be the optimistic one, but I think Friday may be easier (and less frustrating given that TM holds onto the tics while you pay).

[otnavuskire]

At least they didn't let you add to cart and then steal them from underfoot. The cart would hold the tickets, allowing you to checkout. I think this is a step down in terms of functionality. Bleurghh.

The issue with that is people would add them to their cart, then leave them there until their cart expired in ten minutes. Then ten minutes later there were tickets available again for a moment, until someone snapped them up. I'm guessing that's what they're trying to avoid with this system.

[frankie teardrop]

The issue with that is people would add them to their cart, then leave them there until their cart expired in ten minutes. Then ten minutes later there were tickets available again for a moment, until someone snapped them up. I'm guessing that's what they're trying to avoid with this system.

why would you want to avoid that? i feel like once you have them in your cart, they should be YOURS unless you blow it by running out of time. period.

[NIN64]

How is this possible?!?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-TIX-How-to-Destroy-Angels-4-29-Apollo-Theater-LOWER-MEZZ-LEFT-/111019845549?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item19d94c67ad

According to ticketmaster they sold some of the tickets at the same time at the HTDA presale. . .

[UninTY]

So, for those after tickets...
Too Late, All Gone

I see what you did there. I was going to post the same, but didn't have the balls.

if i hadn't gotten tickets, I'd be rocking in the corner right about now.

[bgalbraith]

How is this possible?!?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-TIX-How-to-Destroy-Angels-4-29-Apollo-Theater-LOWER-MEZZ-LEFT-/111019845549?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item19d94c67ad

My guess is that these are from ticket brokers, promoters, or others who have some guaranteed block of tickets from the venue, regardless of performer. These are almost certainly not related to the pre-sale.

[NIN64]

Anyone that purchased tickets receive an email confirmation yet?

[frankie teardrop]

again, see post above. unless ticketmaster let some out of the gate when they shouldn't have (still waiting for nine inch nerd's tale here), presales like this don't let you know what seat you're getting until the tickets arrive. this was the case with nick cave, dead can dance, and i feel like i saw something on the HTDA small text about this. the ebay thing is likely bullshit.

[m0reta]

Poop. I also messed up (taking time to change shipping address...wtf did I need to do that for??) and of course they were gone by the time I could finish. It would be nice if they did hold a ticket for you once you made a selection. What's the point of going through the other screens if not?!

But congrats to those who got something. I'll try at the public sale on Friday. :-)

[ScreamingSlave]

I'm in for Boston now hoping for an official taping policy :) !!!!!

[NIN64]

again, see post above. unless ticketmaster let some out of the gate when they shouldn't have (still waiting for nine inch nerd's tale here), presales like this don't let you know what seat you're getting until the tickets arrive. this was the case with nick cave, dead can dance, and i feel like i saw something on the HTDA small text about this. the ebay thing is likely bullshit.
Even though it wasn't advertized anywhere I could find; ticketmaster.com was selling a limited number of tickets for the NYC show at the same as the HTDA presale.

[Canuckle]

<--- Personally thinks scalpers or ticket-resellers who sell tics to any event at a higher cost than face value are part of the scummiest people on earth

[frankie teardrop]

ok so now ticketmaster has some up under "fan presale" but only upper level, left side? can't even pull one for the apollo. wtf is that shit?

[heisenberg]

this is some shit man..lots of pissed off ppl

[rorycash]

This presale was a lot smoother than I have had in the past with NIN and far superior to the Crowdsurge one for the YYYs this morning. Got shut out by the YYYs and got two dates from HTDA. I can accept that. I think every ticketing system has flaws and the HTDA camp gave us lots of fair warning and extra efforts to try and level the playing field. It is always going to come down to timing and luck. At least they are putting a great deal of effort into getting the tickets to fans first. Hopefully they will make all the necessary tweaks before the NIN presales go live. Good luck everyone trying for public onsale.

[witte]

ON FACEBOOK

Presales begin in less than an hour for New York, New Jersey, Boston, and Toronto shows. Followed by Chicago, then Denver, then the California shows. Be sure to read the instructions and make sure you have a free HTDA account set up prior to presale time:http://tour.destroyangels.com/ (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftour.destroyangels.com%2F&h=xAQF4A8eQ&s=1)

Remember, the presales are only for a small portion of tickets that we have direct access to, so don't worry if you miss out; you'll still be able to purchase tickets. Once a presale has sold out, we'll immediately activate the general on-sale "buy" button on our tour page, directing you to purchase tickets from the venue ticketing system.

[witte]

double post, sorry

[NIN64]

livenation.com is also currently selling tickets for Boston GA. Just started a transaction for 4 tickets with no hesitation from the site. . .

[Canuckle]

This presale was a lot smoother than I have had in the past with NIN and far superior to the Crowdsurge one for the YYYs this morning. Got shut out by the YYYs and got two dates from HTDA. I can accept that. I think every ticketing system has flaws and the HTDA camp gave us lots of fair warning and extra efforts to try and level the playing field. It is always going to come down to timing and luck. At least they are putting a great deal of effort into getting the tickets to fans first. Hopefully they will make all the necessary tweaks before the NIN presales go live. Good luck everyone trying for public onsale.

Personally, I would of appreciated a warning telling me that the tics in my cart are up for grabs so if I want them, I should pay for them NOW.

Angry; but that will subside and I will try again on Friday.

More of a piece of feedback for modlife than anything.

[hippygeek]

The issue with that is people would add them to their cart, then leave them there until their cart expired in ten minutes. Then ten minutes later there were tickets available again for a moment, until someone snapped them up. I'm guessing that's what they're trying to avoid with this system.
So you think people who type slower should be discriminated against?

I had them in my cart for less than two minutes before it updated as no longer available. If you can't checkout in ten minutes, and someone else is sitting there F5ing away, then yes, they should get the damn tickets. On one of the NIN shows I got in after about 40 minutes of sitting on the site F5ing. Perceverence rewarded.

[ScreamingSlave]

Perseverance is always rewarded I went to the last 2009 4 NY shows and also the Last LA shows by trying my hardest. :D

[jhulud]

livenation.com is also currently selling tickets for Boston GA. Just started a transaction for 4 tickets with no hesitation from the site. . .

I just tried this. It's working. How's it even possible?!?!

[Ruined]

After reading about the alleged Ticketmaster presales, I just checked and saw this: "

How To Destroy Angels (http://www.ticketmaster.com/How-To-Destroy-Angels-tickets/artist/1837616)


Golden State Theatre (http://www.ticketmaster.com/Golden-State-Theatre-tickets-Monterey/venue/229926)Monterey, CA



More Info » (http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1C004A5922CA8813?artistid=1837616&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1)presale begins:Wed, 02/27/13
10:00 AM" Huh?

[dbrekke]

YES!

------------------------------------------------------
1 x 04.23.2013 - Chicago, IL - Vic Theatre (GA) (HTTX006) = $43.50
------------------------------------------------------
Sub-Total: $43.50
Total: $43.50

[gladcarrot]

I would like to thank the ETS members from Eastern Time Zone for their ticket buying advice. I had no problems getting a pair of tickets for Chicago. To the Mountain and Pacific Time Zone ETSers, make sure you are logged in and have all your account info up to date and make sure your credit card number is memorized ;)

[FULLMETAL]

It's nice that they are opening up the normal ticket sellers once the pre-sale allocation evaporates.

[rorycash]

Personally, I would of appreciated a warning telling me that the tics in my cart are up for grabs so if I want them, I should pay for them NOW.

Angry; but that will subside and I will try again on Friday.

More of a piece of feedback for modlife than anything.

Sorry you didn't get pre-sale tickets. My post was merely pointing out that ticketing comes down to timing and luck. TR has always paid mindful attention to his fans regarding ticketing. I don't think there is more that they could be doing or I believe TR would have had it done. You used to actually have to go to the box office or a physical ticketing outlet and get in an actual queue to get tickets. Whoever was in front in line got the tickets, whoever was in back didn't. No one should have to tell you to pay for them "NOW", it is implicit.

Not only did TR encourage everyone to make an account and get their affairs in order, but he also hinted at the tickets being available at another ticketing outlet for presale (and provided links to their site on the live presale page). Not to mention that public on sale is the day after tomorrow. That is three opportunities to get tickets. Back in the day you used to only have one. Not to mention all the safe guards he is putting in place to keep the tickets in the hands of fans. What more do you want from the man? He can't be a pioneer every flawed industry. Timing and luck. Good luck to you.

[thelastdisciple]

It's what I've always said, getting tickets online is just way too fucking convenient.

I would rather get my ass to the ticketing agent and camp out before it opens at least you knew or had a rough idea from the line up and people in front of you whether or not your local show would sell out if you got there early enough.

[RJK]

I would like to thank the ETS members from Eastern Time Zone for their ticket buying advice. I had no problems getting a pair of tickets for Chicago. To the Mountain and Pacific Time Zone ETSers, make sure you are logged in and have all your account info up to date and make sure your credit card number is memorized ;)

Have your credit card number copy and pasted and ready to go. :-)

[frankie teardrop]

rorycash- you don't need to garble his balls either, jesus. there were some inherent flaws with the system here and it's valid to point them out- some people were ready to pay immediately, but still couldn't check out their tickets from in their cart due to severe site lag. honestly, that's the one good thing about ticketmaster- those tickets are reserved until you pay or you blow it.

[LexTron6K]

Gladcarrot! Thanks again for the Aragon boots man!

I, like many others, had two tickets in my cart but was unable to purchase them. After refreshing for a handful of minutes I realized that the "Presale" button on the left said "Sold Out." So I clicked on the "On Sale" button to the right, and BAM!, I've got a pair of tickets through Jam Productions. Unfortunately I won't be the first in at The Vic, but I will be the first of the non NIN presales.

Mooseknuckle?!?

[shagg_187]

How is this possible?!?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-TIX-How-to-Destroy-Angels-4-29-Apollo-Theater-LOWER-MEZZ-LEFT-/111019845549?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item19d94c67ad
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-to-2-TIX-How-to-Destroy-Angels-4-18-The-Grand-At-The-Regency-Center-Sect-GA-/300825714082?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item460a9c1da2

Fucking crazy, I tell ya.

[jhulud]

Well. I bit on the TM/LN "pre-sale" and snagged two for Boston.

[frankie teardrop]

and if you go through ticketmaster.com (and NOT the link on the tour page) you can tickets to the Appollo show!

no you can't.

[R-Dot-Yung]

So is New York completely done?

Like on Friday there's no more tickets? Is it going to be the worst seats in the whole world?

GOD DAMN FUCK BALLS

[witte]

Anyone that purchased tickets receive an email confirmation yet?

Yes, from the pre sale HTDA order (montclair) and from the normal sale (nyc) by ticketmaster.com
Directly after the purchase.

[gladcarrot]

Gladcarrot! Thanks again for the Aragon boots man!

Expect more if all goes well!

[frankie teardrop]

So is New York completely done?

Like on Friday there's no more tickets? Is it going to be the worst seats in the whole world?

better not be.

[LexTron6K]

expect more if all goes well!

yes! Tits yes!!!

[R-Dot-Yung]

Ok so I just bought tix of Ticketmaster for the Apollo just now. When I tried 2 hours ago there was nothing so I suggest everyone try.

Lower Mezzanine Row G. I don't know how or why but whatever I'll take it.

[Harry Seaward]

Prices??? Only one mention of prices in this thread? Are they they same for every show?

[rorycash]

@frankie teardrop (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/members/889-frankie-teardrop) I didn't experience any site lag myself. Refreshed exactly at noon. Added one show to my cart, continued shopping, added the next show to the cart and checked out. I understand that others might not have had the same experience. I had missed out on a different pre-sale today as I mentioned. I attribute it to timing. I understand that the importance of feedback to facilitate change. Feedback doesn't only need to be negative. Stating some positive feedback doesn't mean I'm garbling his balls. The system was designed to sell tickets. They sold. We can continue the discussion via PM if you wish. Some people might want to stay on topic.

In the digital age payment means securing the sale. I have crap that sits in my Amazon cart for a rainy day. Until I've paid it isn't mine and if Amazon runs out of stock I'm out of luck. Tickets are just the same. It is a luxury to have Ticketmaster hold tickets for you while you finish the transaction, and they charge dearly for it.

My post wasn't meant as boastful, solely as a counterbalance of positive feedback to all the negative feedback.

[bgalbraith]

Prices??? Only one mention of prices in this thread? Are they they same for every show?

They vary from venue to venue. Pre-sale for Boston was $40, Wellmont was $55.50

[halo33]

Apollo bound..

Finally.

Tickets are still out there folks. Be diligent.

[Canuckle]

Sorry you didn't get pre-sale tickets. My post was merely pointing out that ticketing comes down to timing and luck. TR has always paid mindful attention to his fans regarding ticketing. I don't think there is more that they could be doing or I believe TR would have had it done. You used to actually have to go to the box office or a physical ticketing outlet and get in an actual queue to get tickets. Whoever was in front in line got the tickets, whoever was in back didn't. No one should have to tell you to pay for them "NOW", it is implicit.

Not only did TR encourage everyone to make an account and get their affairs in order, but he also hinted at the tickets being available at another ticketing outlet for presale (and provided links to their site on the live presale page). Not to mention that public on sale is the day after tomorrow. That is three opportunities to get tickets. Back in the day you used to only have one. Not to mention all the safe guards he is putting in place to keep the tickets in the hands of fans. What more do you want from the man? He can't be a pioneer every flawed industry. Timing and luck. Good luck to you.

No worries! I never once aimed my critique at HTDA or TR. It was at Modlife. I'm not complaining as so much recommending a fix to the system, or the inclusion of that note in the fine print to let people know that it's a first pay-first served basis.

Many people assumed the ticketing system worked similar to that of Ticketmaster and took their time once the tickets were in the cart. A little heads up next time around could hopefully steer a few angry commenters into a shoulder shrug of being too slow.

I work with IT design and was just commenting on what I figured was a flaw in the payment process. Consider it a constructive critique to Modlife, not to HTDA.

(Oh and I snagged two from the other outlet, at an additional $25 bucks mind you)

[frankie teardrop]

@rorycash (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=534) - positive feedback doesn't mean boasting about your luck and constantly praising trent for his innovative thinking, especially given the primary source of frustration is an obvious flaw in the modlife system that should be addressed. it has nothing to do with TR or the band, which is why i found it a bit bizarre for you to bring that into the discussion.

you're one of the few who had luck, while the majority had issues. i'm glad it worked out for you honestly. it didn't for a lot of people and the obvious problem was selling tickets out from under people's carts. that is a problem and should be addressed. maybe my word choice was a bit harsh but you're in the minority of issueless people so that doesn't necessarily qualify a successful ticketing system. it's one thing for no tickets to be available- it's another entirely when you have them secured and can't get to the payment screen without them being sold out from under you. just to be clear i didn't hesitate at all once they were in my cart and this still happened.

and that's the last i'll write on that, as i just got two tickets thanks to @halo33 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=376) via ticketmaster. i still can't seem to pull anything up if i go there myself, but bless!

[NIN64]

I see my transaction in my account order history, and it says "order received", but still no confirmation email. Credit card was charged. Email receipt not in spam folder. Just contacted modlife. Waiting for response. . .

[halo33]

and that's the last i'll write on that, as i just got two tickets thanks to @halo33 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=376) via ticketmaster. i still can't seem to pull anything up if i go there myself, but bless!

I've got the touch..I've got the power.

[joplinpicasso]

Bahston! How tah destroy angels, brah!

[peanoot3]

I'm always lurking on here... but I successfully snatched a ticket to Denver, CO thanks to the tips from ETS members. If HTDA pre-sales were this 'intense', I can't even fathom the idea of how insane NIN ticket sales will be. Regardless, though, I'm extremely stoked to see HTDA.


I see my transaction in my account order history, and it says "order received", but still no confirmation email. Credit card was charged. Email receipt not in spam folder. Just contacted modlife. Waiting for response. . .

Weird... I got an e-mail immediately. I guess we can assume that the order went through since your card was charged, so I hope you get that all figured out.

[xfocalinx]

yay. managed to snag a ticket for Chicago~! :)

[RJK]

I give the band a lot of credit for having the regular ticket venues put up their tickets after the presales sold out. Clearly they knew they didn't have a lot of tickets and didn't want anyone to be disappointed today. Well played HTDA.

I am extremely disappointed in modlife but I knew they sucked going into this. I just didn't know they sucked this bad. No worries, I got a ticket so I'm happy. I do worry about the chaos that will be NIN presales through modlife.

[LexTron6K]

@rorycash (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=534). . . it's one thing for no tickets to be available- it's another entirely when you have them secured and can't get to the payment screen without them being sold out from under you. just to be clear i didn't hesitate at all once they were in my cart and this still happened.


Well obviously these tickets weren't "secured" or you would've been able to purchase them. Also, perhaps it's a good time to stop and wonder how many of us would've even had tickets in our cart if this system was run in a manner in which the tickets were held for a period of time once in the cart.

[bgalbraith]

I do worry about the chaos that will be NIN presales through modlife.

Are we sure Modlife will also be handling NIN? I mean, it totally makes sense to use the same fulfillment partner for both bands, but since the scale of NIN is much greater, they could possibly go with someone else for that.

[Harry Seaward]

Can we post all the prices we know about? I'm curious.

04.13.2013 Las Vegas, NV
04.17.2013 Monterey, CA
04.18.2013 San Francisco, CA
04.21.2013 Denver, CO
04.23.2013 Chicago, IL
04.25.2013 Toronto, ON - $44
04.27.2013 Boston, MA - $40
04.28.2013 Montclair, NJ - $55.50
04.29.2013 New York, NY

[frankie teardrop]

of course, @LexTron6K (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1620) . it's obvious there were very few tickets. my point is simply this: i find it considerably less frustrating to be told there are no tickets available at all then being able to easily put two in your cart, get to the billing page, and then find out that you don't have them after all, especially when you throw site lag into the equation. that's all.

@Canuckle (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=697) below... if that's the case, then yes- definitely good thinking!

[Canuckle]

Just a heads up for people who want Toronto tickets.... there are still some available on the TM pre-sale!

I like to think this was HTDA's idea to open up the TM presale after seeing the frustration of the Modlife. If so, congrats HTDA on understanding the plight of the fans!

[Canuckle]

Can we post all the prices we know about? I'm curious.

04.13.2013 Las Vegas, NV
04.17.2013 Monterey, CA
04.18.2013 San Francisco, CA
04.21.2013 Denver, CO
04.23.2013 Chicago, IL
04.25.2013 Toronto, ON
04.27.2013 Boston, MA - $45
04.28.2013 Montclair, NJ - $55.50
04.29.2013 New York, NY

Do you want Modlife or TM prices?

Toronto:

Modlife GA - $44.00
TM GA - $51.75
TM VIP - $69.75

[Harry Seaward]

Do you want Modlife or TM prices?

Toronto:

Modlife GA - $44.00
TM GA - $51.75
TM VIP - $69.75

Sorry, yeah Modlife.

[JessicaSarahS]

So is presale for SF sold out or not, because I can't click a damn thing. I just got my break at work (way later than expected) and I'm gutted that I missed the presale. There were two other bands that I was supposed to do presale for today too. :(

[Harry Seaward]

So is presale for SF sold out or not, because I can't click a damn thing. I just got my break at work (way later than expected) and I'm gutted that I missed the presale. There were two other bands that I was supposed to do presale for today too. :(

Wait, what? I thought it wasn't happening until noon.

[bgalbraith]

Can we post all the prices we know about? I'm curious.

04.13.2013 Las Vegas, NV
04.17.2013 Monterey, CA
04.18.2013 San Francisco, CA
04.21.2013 Denver, CO
04.23.2013 Chicago, IL
04.25.2013 Toronto, ON - $44
04.27.2013 Boston, MA - $45
04.28.2013 Montclair, NJ - $55.50
04.29.2013 New York, NY

Boston was $40, not $45

[Canuckle]

So is presale for SF sold out or not, because I can't click a damn thing. I just got my break at work (way later than expected) and I'm gutted that I missed the presale. There were two other bands that I was supposed to do presale for today too. :(

Remember, noon local time... I assume this means you have ~20 minutes to memorize your credit card info.

[JessicaSarahS]

Wait, what? I thought it wasn't happening until noon.


Remember, noon local time... I assume this means you have ~20 minutes to memorize your credit card info.


Oh, thank god! I read the stupid regular on sale of 10am and mixed it up with the presale time. I didn't even see the presale time column until right now. This is a good time for that "facepalm" click. Yes! I'm so excited now.

[RJK]

Are we sure Modlife will also be handling NIN? I mean, it totally makes sense to use the same fulfillment partner for both bands, but since the scale of NIN is much greater, they could possibly go with someone else for that.

I hope they do. I've never had a good modlife experience.

[JessicaSarahS]

Whew, easy peasy! I was nervous after reading the bad experiences others had, but it went rather smoothly for me.

[Roger Waters]

Thanks to all of your horror stories I was able to gear up and very painlessly get two tickets for San Francisco. Thanks for your misery, ETS!

[Harry Seaward]

Well San Fran was sold out in the first two minutes, before I could get the site to load. Neat.

[FULLMETAL]

Whew. Got the pre-sale for Las Vegas, so it will be a Garbage/HTDA weekend! The failed attempts for the East coast shows really helped me out for this one.

[howdidislipinto]

In for Vegas! See y'all there! The site gave me an error on the final checkout confirmation page, but luckily when I refreshed my order had been placed. Oh, ticket buying, you roller coaster of emotions.

[Ruined]

Just got my Monterey tix. It was odd, because, initially I was given San Francisco tix even though I clicked Monterey. Nonetheless, when I went to process, Monterey showed up in my cart and the SF tix were removed. Just got the confirmation e-mail; really excited for this show. Hope others got their tix.

[JessicaSarahS]

Well San Fran was sold out in the first two minutes, before I could get the site to load. Neat.

Noooooooooo! :( Hopefully you can get one in general sale?

[NotoriousTIMP]

Just got my Monterey tix. It was odd, because, initially I was given San Francisco tix even though I clicked Monterey. Nonetheless, when I went to process, Monterey showed up in my cart and the SF tix were removed. Just got the confirmation e-mail; really excited for this show. Hope others got their tix.

missed out on the Monterey tickets. Our cart showed the SF date and we got confused so we dumped them, then went back and tried to get the Monterey only to find out it was sold out :(

[R-Dot-Yung]

Based on what non-east coast people are saying it sounds like the east coast got screwed.

I was hit with a 404 the second I hit proceed to check out.

[Harry Seaward]

Noooooooooo! :( Hopefully you can get one in general sale?

Just confirmed mine through the Regency Ballroom site. $56.50 as opposed to $44.

So what exactly do you pre-order guys get that I don't? Is it just 15 minute early entry?

[NotoriousTIMP]

Just confirmed mine through the Regency Ballroom site. $56.50 as opposed to $44.

So what exactly do you pre-order guys get that I don't? Is it just 15 minute early entry?

Was just coming here to say that we pulled tickets through their site as well!

[Canuckle]

Congrats to those that got presale tics! Others... keep checking around the internet for other presale options... they are out there
Harry Seaward: They also get a super deluxe limited edition only a few thousand made ticket with their name on it!

[JessicaSarahS]

Just confirmed mine through the Regency Ballroom site. $56.50 as opposed to $44.

So what exactly do you pre-order guys get that I don't? Is it just 15 minute early entry?

Pretty much. And the name on the ticket thing.


Was just coming here to say that we pulled tickets through their site as well!

Yay!

[screwdriver]

Ok so I just bought tix of Ticketmaster for the Apollo just now. When I tried 2 hours ago there was nothing so I suggest everyone try.

Lower Mezzanine Row G. I don't know how or why but whatever I'll take it.

How are you getting these?? TM shows not for sale yet for me...

[RJK]

Just confirmed mine through the Regency Ballroom site. $56.50 as opposed to $44.

So what exactly do you pre-order guys get that I don't? Is it just 15 minute early entry?

The New Jersey show was only 50 cents more for the regular sale than the presale. Not bad at all.

[Harry Seaward]

I'm still a bit confused how this works. The tickets I bought through the venue's reseller were billed as 'presale'. So do they come with the same perks as the Modlife ones? Or is it a separate presale? Will I still get quickly ushered inside the venue after I pick mine up? Maybe I should contact Modlife.

[Harry Seaward]

The New Jersey show was only 50 cents more for the regular sale than the presale. Not bad at all.

Well, the tickets themselves were $39, so $5 cheaper than the modlife tickets. But they added on an $11.50 convenience fee and $6 to get Will Call.

[screwdriver]

um, so tour.destroyangels.com is now showing New York as Sold Out for both Pre-Sale and General... wtf?

[JessicaSarahS]

um, so tour.destroyangels.com is now showing New York as Sold Out for both Pre-Sale and General... wtf?

Chicago too. :eek:

[Wretchedest]

Apparently ticketmaster sales are up cause thats how i just got mine... the htda ones were sold out and i was panicked.

[Deadpool]

Based on what non-east coast people are saying it sounds like the east coast got screwed.

I was hit with a 404 the second I hit proceed to check out.

I got hit with that, too, at first. I fumbled around with the amount of tickets in my cart which was frustrating (and brought on by my own hand), but luckily I recovered, and both my brother & I were able to snag a few tickets for NJ. I'm still so psyched that HTDA are playing the Wellmont in Montclair!

[sheepdean]

Hopefully sold out across the board will make them reconsider no more dates for the foreseeable future

[UninTY]

Are we sure Modlife will also be handling NIN? I mean, it totally makes sense to use the same fulfillment partner for both bands, but since the scale of NIN is much greater, they could possibly go with someone else for that.

not likely. there was a post from someone on here, just before the NIN news broke, that he had seen the HTDA ticketing system, and a placeholder NIN ticketing system, that were going to be handled by the same company. Maybe someone can quote that for me?

[screwdriver]

Apparently ticketmaster sales are up cause thats how i just got mine... the htda ones were sold out and i was panicked.

yeah I'm not getting that for Apollo... can anyone let me know (via PM or whatever, if you want) how they're getting tix from Ticketmaster??

[Roger Waters]

Based on what non-east coast people are saying it sounds like the east coast got screwed.

I was hit with a 404 the second I hit proceed to check out.

It is thanks to your great sacrifice and knowledge that us West Coasters didn't have too hard of a time getting tickets. Your bravery will always be remembered.

[RJK]

Well, the tickets themselves were $39, so $5 cheaper than the modlife tickets. But they added on an $11.50 convenience fee and $6 to get Will Call.

Holy fees Batman. I would murder someone for the $6 will call fee.

[Harry Seaward]

Holy fees Batman. I would murder someone for the $6 will call fee.

Yeah... I think it was $5 for mail and free for electronic tickets. But e-tickets are lame and $1 extra is worth to not have to carry my tickets on the Greyhound from Reno to SF.

[AgentofChaos]

not likely. there was a post from someone on here, just before the NIN news broke, that he had seen the HTDA ticketing system, and a placeholder NIN ticketing system, that were going to be handled by the same company. Maybe someone can quote that for me?


This was posted on the nin forums today for what it's worth. 02/19/13 6:39 PMslykememberJoined: 02/19/13Posts: 1Hello all - I figured I would share a little info with everyone regarding a possible NIN tour. Nothing is set in stone, but I'll just say that a NIN fan presale ticketing demo site has recently been created (I have seen it for myself). It's fully functional and lists three 2013 tour dates for testing purposes. It even lists details such as - your name will be custom printed on the ticket, will be held at will call, and that you and your guest will be wrist-banded and escorted immediately into the venue (in the interest of keeping tickets in the hands of our fans). Also, a separate page for How To Destroy Angels has recently been created as well. Trust me, I was quite shocked by this. I was at the 2009 Bowery show and thought that was it. Then again, dozens of bands have called it quits, only to reunite down the road. Again, this is speculation on my part, with evidence showing that (I can only assume) someone from the band/mgmt is working with this popular ticket presale company for a possible tour. I will say this - These pages are created as demos, and I have yet to come across one that didn't eventually go live. But then again, the demo could have been ordered just in case, and ends there. We'll see.

[UninTY]

thanks! AOC

[halo33]

To the people that still cant get Apollo seats. Try this link.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00004A57C7228D57?did=fan&tm_link=tm_notix_Change_Search_Request

[NotoriousTIMP]

Just found out we scored tix to Monterey after all! :) who all is going to SF and Monterey?

[k'sandra]

So I had a rather public meltdown at work at 12:05 today when modlife wouldn't let me complete my purchase cuz the blasted fucking computer at work wouldn't allow it to accept cookies.
Moped around about it all day, got home, went online to check when the Ticketmaster site would open, (I was expecting Friday) and wonder of wonders I was able to buy 4 tickets for the Toronto show! Gobsmacked, I was.
Not complaining, but I'll miss having that nice shiny ticket with my name printed on it :(

To AgentofChaos http://pitchfork.com/news/49681-trent-reznor-announces-the-return-of-nine-inch-nails-extensive-touring-for-2013-and-2014/

[joplinpicasso]

To the people that still cant get Apollo seats. Try this link.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00004A57C7228D57?did=fan&tm_link=tm_notix_Change_Search_Request

Thanks! Guys - for real: I was just about to buy for this show, too, until I thought I'd be spending too much. Have at it!

[thelastdisciple]

Damn it, why the hell don't i live in Toronto or anywhere near it :(

[fragility3.1]

I just hope all goes well with the Pomona pre-sale since I've now passed on the SF and LV shows. If I can't get tickets to Pomona, I'm going to be really upset with my decision.

[NotoriousTIMP]

Plane ticket is booked! Man, I haven't been this excited for a show since 2005......


You can still pull tickets for Monterey.....just pulled Orch. row L

[imail724]

What was the point of doing a presale through modlife for 8% of the tickets? Seems almost pointless to me

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[jessamineny]

What was the point of doing a presale through modlife for 8% of the tickets? Seems almost pointless to me

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I'm sure that's the maximum they're allowed to have, in their contracts (with venues? booking agents? i dunno who exactly.)

[TheyCallMeDrug]

ive got to get rid of 2 GA tickets for the wellmont theater and ill sell to anyone for $10 less than face to help with the service fee's.

i bought tix immediately not realizing i already have tix for the les claypool duo de twang show that night already. so i grabbed tix for the apollo instead and now have extras. ive been around the board forever, i wouldn't dare rip anyone off. let me know, thanks.

[RJK]

What was the point of doing a presale through modlife for 8% of the tickets? Seems almost pointless to me

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Almost all presales that bands do are no more than 10 percent of the total venue. It is just that there are very few when the venue holds less than 3k people.

[jhulud]

You can still pull tix for Boston.

[NotoriousTIMP]

ive got to get rid of 2 GA tickets for the wellmont theater and ill sell to anyone for $10 less than face to help with the service fee's.

i bought tix immediately not realizing i already have tix for the les claypool duo de twang show that night already. so i grabbed tix for the apollo instead and now have extras. ive been around the board forever, i wouldn't dare rip anyone off. let me know, thanks.

Are they printing names on tickets this time around or did you manage to get tix from Ticketmaster?

[m0reta]

To the people that still cant get Apollo seats. Try this link.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00004A57C7228D57?did=fan&tm_link=tm_notix_Change_Search_Request

Oh my gosh you are my sunshine! Thank youuuooo!! Why the main ticket page isn't active is weird unless they want to 'save' for Friday's public sale.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

Are they printing names on tickets this time around or did you manage to get tix from Ticketmaster?

i got it through the wellmont sale and my name is on it but it doesn't say anywhere on the ticket you'll be asked to show ID proving it. i could contact them about it if you're interested.

they're print at home btw, so they're already in hand. no will call.

[suprefan]

Almost all presales that bands do are no more than 10 percent of the total venue. It is just that there are very few when the venue holds less than 3k people.

Theres a lot of presales where they sell everything outright and just have to have a formal onsale the following day. Bands dont always make these decisions. Trent is just able to negotiate these things because of who he is. Theres a lot of artists who dont even know how much tickets to their shows cost and are shocked sometimes about it.


A lot of the venues hold just around 1,000. Regency in SF holds 1100. HOB Boston is probably 1,000. Fox Pomona is 1700. Paramount in Denver is 1800 give or take. Golden State theatre in Monterey is just under 1000. The Pearl depending on the set up can be 1200 or 2300. So if its 8% of 1000 for example, HTDA sold 80 tickets give or take for some of these shows.

[halo33]

Oh my gosh you are my sunshine! Thank youuuooo!! Why the main ticket page isn't active is weird unless they want to 'save' for Friday's public sale.

Glad I could help. There was certainly some weirdness today, and I really hope they work out all these kinks for the impending NIN tour. Was a good test run I guess.

[hippygeek]

To the people that still cant get Apollo seats. Try this link.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00004A57C7228D57?did=fan&tm_link=tm_notix_Change_Search_Request

I love you - just scored two tickets for lower mezzanine, row J.

[NotoriousTIMP]

i got it through the wellmont sale and my name is on it but it doesn't say anywhere on the ticket you'll be asked to show ID proving it. i could contact them about it if you're interested.

they're print at home btw, so they're already in hand. no will call.

I'd double check with the venue. I think if your name is printed on the ticket it might require a matching ID at the door.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

I'd double check with the venue. I think if your name is printed on the ticket it might require a matching ID at the door.

yea, planning on giving them a call tomorrow. i'll let you guys know the deal.

[NIN64]

yea, planning on giving them a call tomorrow. i'll let you guys know the deal.

Were these tickets purchased from the modlife on the HTDA tour site?

[Gardenia Spectre]

To the people that still cant get Apollo seats. Try this link.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00004A57C7228D57?did=fan&tm_link=tm_notix_Change_Search_Request

halo33 you are a life saver! I couldn't get them any other way - was shut out of pre-sale and couldn't get in later from HDTA or Ticketmaster. Probably the worst seats I've ever had to see Trent but still so much better than nothing. Thank you! Eternally grateful.

[UninTY]

Plane ticket is booked! Man, I haven't been this excited for a show since 2005......


You can still pull tickets for Monterey.....just pulled Orch. row L

what shows are you attending TIMP? (now we just need an official recording policy!)

[witte]

I'm a little surprised everything didn't sold out immediately. Still tickets to get at several venues.
Says something about how HTDA is in the game?

[jhulud]

I'm a little surprised everything didn't sold out immediately. Still tickets to get at several venues.
Says something about how HTDA is in the game?

Or maybe not many people knowing about the TM/LN ticket sales being live already and thinking that they're up on Friday 10am local time. I know that if I weren't an ETS regular and checking the boards and discussions, I wouldn't have known that tix for the shows were already up at TM/LN. Just my thoughts.

[NotoriousTIMP]

what shows are you attending TIMP? (now we just need an official recording policy!)

I won't be taping this time around as I longer have my rig.....

But then again, does anyone know of a good iPhone application (with EQs) that could possibly work?

[UninTY]

I won't be taping this time around as I longer have my rig.....

But then again, does anyone know of a good iPhone application (with EQs) that could possibly work?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(

[NotoriousTIMP]

^^^^
We'll see....maybe seeing HTDA will prompt me to get back into the mood :)

[Wretchedest]

I have an ok relationship with the Goldenstate Theater and i have a very busy nigh with them tonight, if it calms down at some point ill ask about recording it.i have some decent pocket sized audio recording stuff at least but i've never done it like this before.

[TheyCallMeDrug]

Were these tickets purchased from the modlife on the HTDA tour site?

the tickets were bought through the wellmont theater ticket link not the HTDA presale. after calling them today they said as long as the tickets are in hand they will not be checking any names to ID's. only when picking up will call tickets do you need a matching ID.

moral of the story - still have 2 GA for wellmont i have to sell that i'll give for face minus the service fees ($100). let me know.

[screwdriver]

so I guess Apollo was already sold out before the general sale even began? lovely. guess its time to go to the scalpers. I know I'm just ranting about the obvious here, but things like this really suck the fun out of going to concerts.

[screwdriver]

double post, sorry

[witte]

so I guess Apollo was already sold out before the general sale even began? lovely. guess its time to go to the scalpers. I know I'm just ranting about the obvious here, but things like this really suck the fun out of going to concerts.

I didn't manage to get ticket during the pre sale (I was messing up), but when the general sale started (directly after the pre sale) I managed to get a balcony ticket.

[NotoriousTIMP]

I didn't manage to get ticket during the pre sale (I was messing up), but when the general sale started (directly after the pre sale) I managed to get a balcony ticket.

Are you coming to the states!?

[skip niklas]

So, Chicago sold out during the pre-sale I take it? It was never listed on Ticketmaster and now the HDA site says it's completely sold out.

[screwdriver]

I didn't manage to get ticket during the pre sale (I was messing up), but when the general sale started (directly after the pre sale) I managed to get a balcony ticket.

this is all so fucked.

[kbo]

I understand and applaud what Trent is trying to do, but it NEVER works

[screwdriver]

I understand and applaud what Trent is trying to do, but it NEVER works

I'm not sure how you compete against the curious coincidence of the general sale selling out immediately followed by hundreds of tickets going up for 2-3x the cost on StubHub

[kbo]

These sites are not reliable. Ticketmaster keeps tickets in your cart while you checkout. These other sites always crash.

[Arcspiral]

Does anyone else think it's strange that this tour (Denver specifically) hasn't sold out twice over by now? I wasn't able to get presale tix, but I did get a pretty decent pair 20 minutes later. That same day after I got off work, I decided to check to see what was available and to my surprise, I was able to grab a pair in the 5th row! I looked again today and there are still some great tickets left. So what gives? Did the NIN announcement hurt sales or are people just genuinely lackadaisical about the whole HTDA tour? I really don't get it seeing as Chicago and NY sold out with the quickness. The argument that Denver is a small market doesn't cut it either, with Boston and CA shows still with availability. I don't get it. Any ideas???

[gorast]

Does anyone else think it's strange that this tour (Denver specifically) hasn't sold out twice over by now? I wasn't able to get presale tix, but I did get a pretty decent pair 20 minutes later. That same day after I got off work, I decided to check to see what was available and to my surprise, I was able to grab a pair in the 5th row! I looked again today and there are still some great tickets left. So what gives? Did the NIN announcement hurt sales or are people just genuinely lackadaisical about the whole HTDA tour? I really don't get it seeing as Chicago and NY sold out with the quickness. The argument that Denver is a small market doesn't cut it either, with Boston and CA shows still with availability. I don't get it. Any ideas???
Probably a combination of both. HTDA's a tiny band in regards to reach, and Trent's name likely isn't enough to sell out venues, even small ones like this. Didn't help that NIN 2013 was announced two full days before HTDA's pre-sale even began; a pre-sale that wasn't solidly announced until the day after.

Considering Trent's business sense, this feels like a very unwise move on his part. Granted, announcing NIN 2013 right after HTDA presales might've been an even bigger dick move.

[butter_hole]

I feel like Rob is going to be more than just occasional bassist and in charge of the visuals. He's hinted at everything making sense once they start playing live... maybe they'll be filming the shows? Like not just filming them for an eventual DVD, but something more intense.